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Kojima on Death Stranding: “Even now, I don’t understand the game”
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A shocking sentence, but his following comment seems to connect it with the message going on for a while (I guess?): "I'm trying to do something so radically different, I wouldn't know how to describe it".
Also, the final quote is a very good definition of what "art" in general is nowadays, has been for a while.
Also, the final quote is a very good definition of what "art" in general is nowadays, has been for a while.
Confusing. Either this guy is incredibly charismatic or a genius. Otherwise how do you explain so many people (even famous actors) praising him?
I find it funny how completely opposite Taro/ Nier Automata and Kojima/Death Stranding are.
Taro and Square Enix marketed their game as an action-adventure game against robots, with Platinum gameplay and sexy androids. What we got was an epic with mind-bending questions about humanity, philosophy, life and death, not to mention a metric fuck ton of allusions to modern and classical thinkers like Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir and one of the best soundtracks ever.
Death Stranding is being SOLD as a incredible work of art, with A grade actors and budget, state of the art engine, and "So incredibly revolutionary that is pushing the medium forward" "You have to see it to believe", and the gameplay snippets that we got show a mundane open world not unlike MGS5 (So far, just as empty, too).
I mean. Its so funny.
Taro and Square Enix marketed their game as an action-adventure game against robots, with Platinum gameplay and sexy androids. What we got was an epic with mind-bending questions about humanity, philosophy, life and death, not to mention a metric fuck ton of allusions to modern and classical thinkers like Sartre, Simone de Beauvoir and one of the best soundtracks ever.
Death Stranding is being SOLD as a incredible work of art, with A grade actors and budget, state of the art engine, and "So incredibly revolutionary that is pushing the medium forward" "You have to see it to believe", and the gameplay snippets that we got show a mundane open world not unlike MGS5 (So far, just as empty, too).
I mean. Its so funny.
I think we all know what the game is. The E3 trailer showed several combat elements like the world war sequences, the stealth sequences with the ghosts and finally the combat scenes with mercenaries. What we havent seen is how prevalent the trips to the world war setpieces will be. Will they be copy paste sequences or one off setpieces that you wont have to repeat. The ghost sequences look terribly boring and very simple compared to the stealth in MGS2 or MGS3, let alone last gen MGS games that let you use all kinds of different gadgets to confuse and distract guards. doesnt seem like you can do that with ghosts and have to follow a strict line.
Lastly, how often will we run into mercs in the open world? are there any merc outposts or bases to explore like in far cry or mgsv? how many are there? the game world seems barren and i havent seen anything remotely resembling a base. the combat options seem incredibly limited coming from MGSV which gave you hundreds of gadgets and weapons.
i really really hope that this isnt a walking simulator with very limited combat. the fact that they finished this game in less than 4 years is kind of a giveaway that there isnt much content here. bases like ground zeroes and groznigrad in mgs3 take time to build and even longer to design a stealth action game around. is 3 years enough when other developers with much bigger teams like GG, SSM and Rockstar are taking 5-6 years to make a game?
Lastly, how often will we run into mercs in the open world? are there any merc outposts or bases to explore like in far cry or mgsv? how many are there? the game world seems barren and i havent seen anything remotely resembling a base. the combat options seem incredibly limited coming from MGSV which gave you hundreds of gadgets and weapons.
i really really hope that this isnt a walking simulator with very limited combat. the fact that they finished this game in less than 4 years is kind of a giveaway that there isnt much content here. bases like ground zeroes and groznigrad in mgs3 take time to build and even longer to design a stealth action game around. is 3 years enough when other developers with much bigger teams like GG, SSM and Rockstar are taking 5-6 years to make a game?
obnoxious.
that's the last straw. i'm not buying the game purely out of spite for his obnoxious hype statements.
that's the last straw. i'm not buying the game purely out of spite for his obnoxious hype statements.
It will be the foundation of threads for years to come.
Maybe. Konami has been having record profits since they fired him. Let's wait to see how this game sells versus his previous games.
Schrödinger's Cat:
Schrodinger's Cat is another phenomenon that is difficult to understand but it's an abstract concept that can be visualized. Unlike the painting, this is a thought experiment that turned into a quantum mechanics study which still doesn't have a singular resolute solution/answer, but rather individual interpretations.
Death Stranding could be something that you don't necessarily need to completely understand to experience, and instead it'd be an artwork that delivers an experience, an idea, or a paradoxical tale.
Avoid reviews. Get the game and never open it. What is inside the box will simultaneously be the best and worst game ever created.
If he doesn't understand it, then he didn't even try to make it comprehensible. If you are going to be surrealist be surrealist. However, the half step between realistic/grounded and metaphysical (as seen in the metal gear series) just makes his lack of comprehension of the themes he believes he is tacking, all the more egregious. Tonal inconsistencies, plot holes, lazy writing, anime tropes and deus ex machina are presented by fans and the media alike as "style", rather, they are examples of Kojimas lack of writing skill.
His eye for detail is excellent but Kojima is a 2019 George Lucas. When he has full control his weaknesses outshine his strengths.
His eye for detail is excellent but Kojima is a 2019 George Lucas. When he has full control his weaknesses outshine his strengths.
I like this forum. But i'm starting to wonder if alot of you are new to gaming.
I sincerely hope the lot of you are either joking, or you are genuinely curious about this game. Cause i swear you guys act like you've never played a Kojima game before or don't understand his thought process to game design and storytelling. Nothing he said is remotely out there or cause for confusion.
With all due respect.......give the hyperbole a fucking rest already.
I sincerely hope the lot of you are either joking, or you are genuinely curious about this game. Cause i swear you guys act like you've never played a Kojima game before or don't understand his thought process to game design and storytelling. Nothing he said is remotely out there or cause for confusion.
With all due respect.......give the hyperbole a fucking rest already.
Kojima has always had his detractors, and they are very loud about it. His next masterpiece will be out soon, so they're getting louder.
Judging by your post history, were you ever going to? No, you weren't.
It doesn't help that his last two games weren't exactly masterpieces.
You should try reading your own comment some time from another person's perspective. Maybe then you'll see how eye-rolling this is.
lmao seriously.
Now we have some refusing to buy the game because they can't read an OP
What a genius. So deep. /s
Yeah, I mean is there really any doubt anymore
I read the entire OP and the additional quotes are even worse than the headline. The dude's pretentiousness is off the charts.
I've worked hard to stop relying on reviews this gen but I certainly will be for this game. Have no idea what to make of it
"If you take something that looks like a banana and give it the title 'apple', that works as art."
Kojima get some sleep pls
Kojima get some sleep pls
It's an exclusive...you know how it goes.I'm sure there are people praying this is a huge disaster given the faith and money Sony have put into it.
Anyway,I'm all for risk taking in AAA games,it's pretty rare these days.
Wait how? Kojima has said that he didn't understand and was confused by MGS as well. Why do you think he is pretentious? Kojima is making unique new experiences for us in gaming and he might just be trolling and having a laugh. I'm not even sure where the hate is coming from.
I have no expectations for this game, neither good nor bad. Because I have no idea what type of game this even is.
Just kicking back and reading the threads.
Just kicking back and reading the threads.
Actually, I think a "in between" game is the most likely scenario. It's not gonna be a turd, that's for sure. Maybe weird, disappointing or underwhelming, but no turd.
Idunno.
Considering how many panels they have done and will be doing in the future just to try to explain what the fuck you do in this game...
Like, most games do not need dedicated panels to explain why and how you play them. I would not be shocked if this game reviews terribly, tbqh.