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Kojima is crunching to meet Death Stranding's release date
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Yep. "Crunch time" literally means high pressure - it's used in sports all the time for instance. The exact meaning in this tweet is entireky unclear. Hopefully a games journalist will be able to get some clarification (lol) before people leap to conclusions (lol).
So tired of "making an effort to innovate is pretentious" posts that spam up 50% of these threads. The world evidently needs more pretentious people.
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Honestly it's such a non story either way. If he were to get pressed about it, he could just as easily say Kojima Productions devs are all treated well and respectably and it would still be just as meaningless, contrary to what a lot of people here seem to be implying.
Yeah, and there's also woman traficking and child labour, but that doesn't make it right.
Even if these shit practices are normalized we shouldn't talk about them like they it's normal.
Fuck off. If you want to put blind trust in corporate management, don't pretend to care about workers.
Come on dude.
Just how many mental gymnastics are people going to do to defend Kojima?
We shall see!
But he has also said other silly things like we will feel ashamed of our words and deeds, which was complete nonsense. No one felt either of those after discovering the stupid reason that Quiet was wearing a bikini.
Take what he says with a grain of salt.
Kojima speaks English fluently as a second language
Ergo crunch could mean anything
Maybe he wants abs?
There's literally no way for us to know
Don't trust anyone, especially Animal Crossing
Ergo crunch could mean anything
Maybe he wants abs?
There's literally no way for us to know
Don't trust anyone, especially Animal Crossing
As a new banker the hours are absolute shit. I'd personally trade with a crunching game dev, at least I'd work on something I'm passionate about.
But still though, just because my situation is shit doesn't every one else should suffer too.
People acting like the term crunch doesn't exist in Japan or that you can't know if he really means crunch because english isn't his native language.
This was a good tweet thread from a couple of months ago about crunch in Japan
EDIT: Twitter's new layout is stupid and doesn't work right anymore >:|
just click this link
This was a good tweet thread from a couple of months ago about crunch in Japan
EDIT: Twitter's new layout is stupid and doesn't work right anymore >:|
just click this link
Shity reason. You shouldn't have to crunch at your job either.
Projects need to either be managed better, or give realistic projected deadlines.
In the case of Death Stranding. It's going to make a crazy profit. That's a fact. So taking an extra 3 months won't hurt them (or Sony) in the long run.
But let's face it, most businesses aren't managed well, for the workers.
Does Kojima tweet in Japanese and then someone else translates to English for him?
Because I found the same tweet on his Japanese twitter account and see no mention of crunch, but my Japanese isn't very good. Maybe someone else can translate.
That being said, it is a big AAA title. So no doubt there is a very high chance of crunch involved.
Because I found the same tweet on his Japanese twitter account and see no mention of crunch, but my Japanese isn't very good. Maybe someone else can translate.
That being said, it is a big AAA title. So no doubt there is a very high chance of crunch involved.
This is my 5th post in this thread. You have 9 posts in this thread. If I'm "trying really hard in this thread" then does that mean you're trying "doubly really hard in this thread"?Hmmmm...
Now enjoy your ignore.
Since this is par for the course, we should talk about compensation: are they getting 1.5x pay for working weekday after hours and 2x for weekends? Comp days? Extra pay bonuses (a fucking trophy for employee of the month does not pay bills)?
I work on tech hardware development in the US, we have a policy for cruch /overtime stating how to handle it so the employees don't fell shortchanged, even for exempt (not hourly) ones. I now there is a weird attitude in gaming industry that you should just be glad you had the privilege of being part of the team, but that s BS if there is no pay to back up the exra effort.
I work on tech hardware development in the US, we have a policy for cruch /overtime stating how to handle it so the employees don't fell shortchanged, even for exempt (not hourly) ones. I now there is a weird attitude in gaming industry that you should just be glad you had the privilege of being part of the team, but that s BS if there is no pay to back up the exra effort.
not surprised tho, i expected people to suddenly brush off crunch when entering the thread
Pro athletes should revolt against their respective leagues for FORCING them to play in the last two minutes of any competitive match, based on what I'm reading in here. "Crunch time" is a common idiom. If Kojima put his employees through something Hellish enough, we would hear about it. But we haven't. This team he is rolling with is primarily comprised of ex-Konami folks, who have been working with him for a long time. Pretty sure if they got a job working on Kojima's expensive ass games, they could get in just about anywhere, meaning, if conditions were so bad, we would know, making this a non-story.
I think its pretty well established that all MGS games had crazy heavy crunch. This is very much the norm in this case. Hopefully people are being treated well and rewarded accordingly when its done.
??? I'm not sure all crunch can be avoided. I work at UPS and we have crunch time during the holidays and Amazon sales but its all paid OT thats generous as fuck with bonus after the holidays. But November to January can be a small section of hell because people order so much shit online that trucks are packed to the ceiling and we literally can't get enough trucks to cover everything.
It's important when evaluating Kojima's statement to ignore all context except for the fact that English is a secondary language for him.
I will allow you to reformulate your opinion in light of this.
lol, people now cape for crunching.
Reminder: Something being "normal' doesn't automatically make it good.
Reminder: Something being "normal' doesn't automatically make it good.
You'd think Kojima announced he was leaving KJP for there would be 8 less pages for a threads based on one simple tweet...
Crunch happens in most industries. and its okay. KJP employees will probably be compensated for their time. Lots of game devs give end-of-project bonuses.
I'm in the middle of crunch and I work in a factory. Sometimes deadlines need to be met in a short amount of time and hiring more people on isn't a solution.
I'm in the middle of crunch and I work in a factory. Sometimes deadlines need to be met in a short amount of time and hiring more people on isn't a solution.
Shit happens. I'm working 4 10s and 2 8s finishing construction on a power plant. Get that overtime money while you can.
You do realized that in many game companies, crunch can and has lasted for months and years?
Do you crunch for 6 months at a time?
Of fucking course the corporate bootlickers came out of the woodwork to defend crunch.
Of fucking course.
Of fucking course.
Yes, when demand for the product that I build demands it. It's either try to onboard an entire new shift (which is ~1000 jobs and requires tens of thousands of hours training before they can even begin to start producing a good number) just to let them go at the end of 6 months or we work 2 out of every 3 Saturdays and make overtime.
Happens any time we have a major model change.
If KJP is crunching in the last 3 months, that's not that long.
You realize many people dont get mandated overtime? And are working not just weekends but every day? For 80-100 hr work weeks?
Learn about what you are talking about before you try to make excuses for the Game's Industry. And btw the industry already pays the lowest for the equivalent position in other tech industries.
Working an extra Saturday every other week =/= 100 hour work weeks, every week for months at a time.
???? So why work in the industry? "Hey, we pay like shit and have the shittiest business practices! Come on down!"
So do you have a point, while you defense crunch? I guess people that need to put food on the table should just quit and go homeless?
While you sit there and defend companies working them to death.
Is KJP working 100 hour weeks? Or is that just conjecture from R*?
Funny how these threads take a different turn when it's a darling dev to a lot of people. At least this thread isn't as embarrassing as the Naughty Dog one.
Absolutely disgusting to read this thread and the amount of people OKing crunch. What. The. Hell!? As a teacher in Norway, we have no crunch at all, no pressure to grade papers within a certain timeframe. It's as flexible as it possibly could be, and everyone's better for it. We're human beings, not machines.
I'm not a Kojima fanboy or whatever before people accuse me of this, I've only ever played Revengeance and a little bit of Metal Gear Solid. However, can we really say that he means Crunch in the same way other companies mean it? He could simply mean "we're working hard until the game goes gold, because it is coming out soon." It's a single word in a tweet. People are really overreacting about this, I don't think we need 8 pages of discussion on this.