It will definitely be part of the future but it wont be THE future for a while yet. Unless of course game companies are happy to lose all potential customers not based in major cities with access to fibre etc.
I've played GeForce Now with wired gigabit internet and have still had lag issues, dropped connection issues, and crashes occur. It's playable (most of the time) but not really as enjoyable as local gaming.I don't know what a gif of a live demonstration of a service that was still in development has anything to do with the tech already being here
there's people in here that play GeForce now and played project stream last year with no issue, I've used GeForce now multiple times myself
It's more than playable enough for me to not have to spend 600$-900$ to upgrade my pc, and I'm expecting stadia to be even betterI've played GeForce Now with wired gigabit internet and have still had lag issues. It's playable (most of the time) but not really as enjoyable as local gaming.
You mean the potential audience? The data center footprint? The investment? With a larger audience comes increased resources and Stadia servers are ONLY for Stadia, they can not be used for any other compute service in the data center. This also means that any data center they place servers into have to dedicate space to a purpose built set of resources. That is a scaling/capacity issue.
I know google has a lot more data centers than nvidia just by looking at the map, we will see in 2 weeks if there's wait times on stadia I'm already confident there won't beYou mean the potential audience? The data center footprint? The investment? With a larger audience comes increased resources and Stadia servers are ONLY for Stadia, they can not be used for any other compute service in the data center. This also means that any data center they place servers into have to dedicate space to a purpose built set of resources. That is a scaling/capacity issue.
There won't be. Google already capped the number of devices sold and staggered the access rollout.I know google has a lot more data centers than nvidia just by looking at the map, we will see in 2 weeks if there's wait times on stadia I'm already confident there won't be
Streaming will be a thing, but it's not taking over. People (including Kojima) need to remember there are way more people on poor/no internet. Even on fiber will the latency be good enough for 4K in VR? But yeah it will be an option some choose, and maybe in a decade or so we'll start seeing major cloud only games.
People can buy the premier edition before the free version comes out, the premier isn't cappedThere won't be. Google already capped the number of devices sold and staggered the access rollout.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/google-stadia-pre-orders-could-be-delayed/
People can buy the premier edition before the free version comes out, the premier isn't capped
Oh I already knew that, the premier isn't delivered until DecemberThe article states that if you order the Founders (which is sold out) or Premiere edition, that you may not be able to play on launch day. That's literally what the whole article is about.
I'm specifically addressing his absurd notion that in a few years "gaming will move on to streaming". Streaming will be supplemental. As even the best scenarios in people having extremely fast internet, have shown the tech isn't there for it to become the mass market, money-making way forward. The idea that in a few years, they have that tech down, coupled with the woefully inadequate penetration of high-speed internet in many places, on top of data caps says this is still very far off as something that will replace downloads and physical media. And I think 5g working the way some think so magically eradicating all these problems is wishful thinking as well.It's not far off it's already here, a large amount of people using it is some what far off but not too far
we need to separate the tech itself and the amount of people using it, the tech is already here
The film played almost immediately - impressive. But half an hour in, the film started buffering. The 5G light on the router had gone out and it had switched back to the slower 4G network.
The 5G did come back but the router soon dropped down to 4G again. This back and forth continued for a while and, frustrated, I ended up switching back to my old fixed-line broadband to finish the film.
Yes we all know new tech works perfectly at the beginning and never gets betterAh yeh, that amazing 5g.
BBC News tries out Three's 5G for the ho
So you admit people will have to stream with technology that isn't currently good enough? This is always going to happen, you will never stop dropouts etc. Can you imagine just getting to the end of a really hard session and the game stutters along, making you die and start that bit again. Yeh, that sounds like fun.Yes we all know new tech works perfectly at the beginning and never gets better
Yes we all know new tech works perfectly at the beginning and never gets better
Yeah it's simple economies of scale. You ultimately need fewer computers to deliver higher quality games to more people.
I game one hour per day max. The other 23 hours it's just sitting there unused.What? Need fewer computers? The cost of the infrastructure to displace consoles is absolutely gigantic.
Yea so you could serve 100 million people with 10 million gpus instead of 100 million gpus I see what your saying,I game one hour per day max. The other 23 hours it's just sitting there unused.
Japan has really good internet.
Really the only thing I can see streaming being good for is persistent world games like Destiny, Eve, Star Citizen (like if it ever actually becomes a game), NMS etc., Indie or early access games on console and that's only if the latency issue is resolved. I have great internet and I still doubt that every game will run as well as a local copy anytime 24-7.Its inevitably scares me but I'll fight it every fucking day until i cant anymore
I highly doubt everything will go into streaming. as a company it would make little sense to not provide your games to those who play offline. as long as there are people willing to put cash down for offline gaming, there will be options for them to buy it. I do foresee it getting a bit more expensive compared to streaming offers.Streaming vs. Digital ownership
If everything just goes into streaming meaning that everyone gets more dependent on companies iam going to quit digital media.
I want to own something - not only borrow the right to use it.
I prefer my digital ownership based on blockchain like buying digital games on www.robotcache.com.
I absolutely despise Stadia and streaming only.
Yep next gen streaming will be much cheaper than buying an Xbox 2, ps5, and upgrading your pc. Much much cheaperI highly doubt everything will go into streaming. as a company it would make little sense to not provide your games to those who play offline. as long as there are people willing to put cash down for offline gaming, there will be options for them to buy it. I do foresee it getting a bit more expensive compared to streaming offers.
I mean I'm with you on the games but I think you're in the vast minority concerning movies. It's just too easy and convenient for most people now.But I don't even stream movies on my phone, why would I stream games of all things? I rarely stream anything to my iPad other than Youtube or Twitch, things where I don't care much about the visual or audio quality. So why would I want to play any game on such tiny screens instead of my VRR 34 inch ultrawidescreen or 4k 43 inch or 4k 65 inch TVs with full 5.1 surround. I have more than enough things to do other than game when I am not at home, I don't want to waste my time gaming with a subpar experience from small screens, increased latency/input lag, or the awkwardness of touch controls or some weird controller mount (like I want to carry a console controller + iPad or cell phone mount wherever I go). If I am at home, there is no benefit for me to stream as I would rather have minimal input lag/latency and I don't want to go through my entire Internet data cap just from gaming. A single game like Persona 5 or RDR2 would go through 2 months worth of my data cap just playing it and not using my internet for anything else....
Also, 5G wont be some miraculous revelation. It will be better than the crapshow that is congested 4G, but once everyone switches over to 5G you will see the wonderful speeds drop drastically since service providers never expand their networks enough. Plus, 5G has poor building penetration so unless extenders or whatever are installed in a building, good luck getting a signal there.
Well I might watch a short documentary on my phone or iPad or possibly a reality tv show, cartoon, or a CW superhero TV show that I'm only slightly paying attention to, but I still want a large screen experience for any movie or a TV show with a budget like Watchman or the Dark Crystal. Maybe I would change my mind more if I commuted on a train/subway, but since I drive to work I'd rather wait until I am at home for a large screen experience for the vast majority of my media consumption, including gaming.I mean I'm with you on the games but I think you're in the vast minority concerning movies. It's just too easy and convenient for most people now.
I have those options. Usually by the end of the day, having two kids, I'm more content to watch a show or movie on my XS Max. I even have an iPad pro right next to me on the nightstand and I don't even bother. Bit of laziness? Sure. But man I'm exhausted and it's just super convenient.Well I might watch a short documentary on my phone or iPad or possibly a reality tv show, cartoon, or a CW superhero TV show that I'm only slightly paying attention to, but I still want a large screen experience for any movie or a TV show with a budget like Watchman or the Dark Crystal. Maybe I would change my mind more if I commuted on a train/subway, but since I drive to work I'd rather wait until I am at home for a large screen experience for the vast majority of my media consumption, including gaming.