A single piece of marketing material in the face of the actual title (and platform) of the game is pretty insignificant. Are you seriously trying to argue that SE didn't make this mess for themselves?
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Kingdom Hearts III Review Thread
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A single piece of marketing material in the face of the actual title (and platform) of the game is pretty insignificant. Are you seriously trying to argue that SE didn't make this mess for themselves?
The simple answer is that they didn't have resources. A PS3 Kingdom Hearts would be a much bigger project and require far more manpower than SQEX had available at the time, let alone after they ran into issues with FFXIII, XIV & Versus XIII's development. PSP level handheld games were something they could do with a studio like the one at Osaka.
True, but Roxas is the best character in the series, so it's not super fair. Xion still great though.
The "despite the names" part is the most important part, though. How the stories follow doesn't really matter in this case, it's how it was marketed and appeared outwardly to casual fans. If KH3D was called Kingdom Hearts 3 and KH3 was called Kingdom Hearts 4, they wouldn't have been in this mess.
At the time, SE were going through a crisis with their console segments in various ways, it was a clusterfuck. Almost nothing, regardless of the team, was able to be completed outside of lighting spinoffs and the fixing up of FF14(which had originally been a disaster)
That's why to actually continue the story, the handhelds were the only solution. Nomura originally wanted BBS on PS2, but by the time they were able to start full work on it, that was out of style
Nah, then you'd run into this argument: "WHY IS KINGDOM HEARTS 4 ON THE DS!?!?"
There's no way to win here.
Do you actually expect the casual audience to care about this? Why do you think the KH3 trailer garnered so much more attention than any other game in that franchise since 2? The only thing that really matters is how the game is titled. The content of trailers and interviews don't really matter to an audience that immediately sees it as "another one of those spin-off titles".
Gamereactor DK: 10/10
+ Phenomenal story, fun gameplay, interesting characters, incredibly beautiful, improves ideas from previous titles.
- The beginning is probably confusing for some players.
+ Phenomenal story, fun gameplay, interesting characters, incredibly beautiful, improves ideas from previous titles.
- The beginning is probably confusing for some players.
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That really is the best part, Riku is for all the intents and purposes, even canon wise, the real protagonist, he got into serious problems, grew up as a character, got insane power ups, heck he actually graduated unlike Sora but he loves his friend is having the time of his life.
Bingo. I'm glad the series hasn't come back to home systems until now, because if they'd tried to continue on the PS3 or 360 instead of moving to other systems, then the series would be dead in the fucking water. Let's not forget what happened with Crystal Tools and FF14. SE was a disaster in a lot of ways last gen in terms of home console development.
Keeping the budget, scope, etc. for the series small in those years probably saved it.
I'm just imagining a timeline where Nomura was trying to make KH3 and Versus XIII on the PS3 at the same time.
Dude probably would've killed himself from the sheer stress. Especially considering how badly he was fucked over and jerked around by Square for the entirety of last generation and most of this one.
Would have been better for the casual fans though. At least then they'll have known it's an important story.
Nice!
Could anyone translate the positive and negative aspects of this one? No spoilers pls.
Sora has always felt like more of a likeable vehicle for the story than the actual main character per se. And that's fine, because he has enough character and development to carry that. Going into the next arc, it would be nice to get a bit more focus back on him himself, though.
Sounds like someone needed to replay the first trip to Traverse Town. Sora's not allowed to frown if he wants to keep traveling with Donald and Goofy!
Even KH3 started shaky in that regard
Be able to get off of Luminous and onto UE4 probably saved development in some ways
Agreed and it seems they did the same with frozen and tangled. Its frustrating, but so long as i have fun just walking around the new twilight town, andy's room and san fransokyo the game is a success for me.
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To be fair, though, casual fans would probably be the ones least effected by all of this. The issue here right now is people who are apparently extremely hyped to play this game but somehow went an entire decade actively avoiding every single opportunity to get caught up.
Can't wait for Kingdom Hearts 3 to end one of two ways:
1. Sora and his friends come out of it all cool. Everyone else is screwed. Because this is a fitting ending for Psycho Sora's journey.
2. Everyone else comes out fine, but as justice for Sora being such a selfish shit, he's the one who ends up screwed. Preferably because of one of Riku or Kairi.
Basically, either Sora gets his, or Sora gets his.
Personally, I'm rooting for 1 because fuck Roxas. He's literally a nobody.
You are all essentially making the same argument here: SE was, for whatever reason you might choose, forced to release a KH game on handhelds instead of consoles. Because they were on handhelds, they should not have a mainline title. But I don't think any of this disproves that they made a mess by doing this. And despite any financial or logistical reasons, this is all still on Square Enix. That the games with the most important story bits were released as handheld titles with what appears to be spin-off names. This is their mistake, and I don't think it's fair to expect the audience to make up for it. They could have either titled the games in a way that would communicate what they were canonically to the fans better, or they could have held off until they could develop fully fledged KH titles. In any case, this is ultimately not a problem made by the consumers, and expecting them to catch up on this logistical mess is unrealistic.
Glad to see its doing well so far. I know a lot of people are emotionally attached to this series, and I hope its a worthy resolution for all the fans out there.
I'm Danish, so I can :)
+ Phenomenal story, fun gameplay, interesting characters, incredibly beautiful, improves ideas from previous titles.
- The beginning is probably confusing for some players.
Yup first run always on proud. Then doing critical.
Oh thanks for this. Really good to see a review actually like the story.
Thanks for the meme response buddy, really appreciate your valuable insight into this discussion. I'm just going by what megafans on here have been communicating about BBS and DDD. But it's nice of you to dismiss an entire discussion because you don't think those games are the most significant story entries.
So weird that Eurogamer of all outlets didn't get a review code yet.
I guess that means I have zero chance getting my request fulfilled, lmao.
I guess that means I have zero chance getting my request fulfilled, lmao.
Pretty great and what we expected.
Not sure how people expect this to be high 90's, honestly I'm not even sure what a Kingdom Hearts could do to get to high 90's. There is no way that story could ever be salvaged enough to be a masterpiece.
Not sure how people expect this to be high 90's, honestly I'm not even sure what a Kingdom Hearts could do to get to high 90's. There is no way that story could ever be salvaged enough to be a masterpiece.
I hope so, would be amazing if we get a transformation like Aang, a cute dork first then the wise man he became on Korra.
He is one of the main plot points I'm more interested in, he isn't Sora nor Ventus, can't wait.
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Me too. When the leaks drop a a narrative about the game being "rushed" was created, so it's great to see these reviews.
They would've had to wait almost an entire decade to put anything in the series out, because last generation was a literal nightmare for Japanese developers. This idea that the entire series should just be frozen in time for ten to thirteen years so that people who are too stubborn to play games in a series they supposedly like is maddening to me.
Again. Dream Drop Distance is not that important. I don't know how many fucking times I have to reiterate this point. The only things you need to know from that game are that Xehanort is alive again and Sora failed the Mark of Mastery exam while Riku passed it. That's literally it.
Birth by Sleep is important, yes, but if you literally can't be arsed to play a SINGLE GAME without a mainline "numbered" title, even in a long, long dead period between mainline releases, when it was ported and released at a discount price on multiple more accessible consoles, you probably don't care that much about the series as a whole.
Not sure if I will start on Proud or normal. I normally do normal but the too easy complaints may make me play proud.
You're using the word spin off even when the titles in question are significant to the storyline...that's not what spin off means lol. You and a lot of other people seem to be confused about that. CoM, BBS, and DDD were never advertised as spin off titles.
Thank You.
It's like people live in alternate realities of how a product should be treated, and not fragment player base. I feel they should have had BBS and the likes be spin offs without having any huge or significant story impact.
Then when they had the funds and team did a full KH3 that starts where KH2 left off.
I mean how are people not acknowledging a lot of reviewers that do love the game say the main negatives are the story being confusing?
The problem is that the *titles* of BBS and DDD are bad, not that KH3 is bad for having a story that follows up on them.
call it
It might end up around 85, but still what I expected from the trailers and the leaks I saw.
BTW, the reason the handhelds weren't called KH 0 or 3 it's because the gameplay it's different from the main one's due new core mechanics. That's the reason Nomura gave. They're not story spin-off but they're "gameplay spin-off". Yet 3 merges many of those mechanics into the mainline gameplay.
Who the hell wants to play a spinoff with no story value? The games might as well not exist at all if they don't have any story relevance. This isn't Kirby or Mario, it's an RPG franchise. People play them for story.
It's 2019 and we still have people complaining that BBS and DDD matter.
It's almost like KH2 made it obvious with CoM.
It's almost like KH2 made it obvious with CoM.
I didn't expect reviews to happen until Monday.
Nice to see some good scores, though.
Tuesday can't come soon enough!
Nice to see some good scores, though.
Tuesday can't come soon enough!
I won't lie and tell that the names aren't confusing for a newcomer, because they are. The point is: if you're told that BbS and DDD are not spin-offs and that you need to play them/read the story, yet you still refuse to acknowledge them as essential games, then the blame is on you.
I think that the only ones that should be complaining are Xbox users because they weren't given a chance to catch up, and that's stupid.