A friend showed me the video years ago. Every few months when I'm bored I watch it again. Never seen a Kevin Smith movie I think but the whole story is just crazy and hilarious.
Oprah-thinking.gifBraniac was to have an "R2-D2-esque" sidekick that was to have "the voice of a gay black man."
Now I kind of want to see Superman fight a giant spider, too.
That has to have happened at some point. That's such a generic moster design that for all of Superman's long history, he must have fought at least one giant spider at some point.
Joe Quinones is a very good artist
Tired of this bullshit
I initially thought Superman Lives would've been the worst idea for a Superman movie. The leaked pic of Cage in one of the suits just solidified my opinion. Then I watched that documentary. I couldn't believe it, but by the end of it, I was actually disappointed it didn't happen! I wanted to watch the movie not even out of the hope that it'd be so bad it's good, but because I legitimately thought it might've been decent.
This was exactly my thoughts too. I keep hoping one day Warner Animation will announce they're working on an animated version of this with Burton, Cage and Smith on board.
Bless Christopher Nolan. I wish someone on Marvel TV has the clout to pull this on Perlmutter like Feige did.
Haha, that Clark was the best.I had only seen bits of this footage. My god I had never seen Cage's Clark Kent before.
holy shit tim burton doesn't know anything about supes
the coke addled fuckups slurping tim/nic and mocking fans of the genre
He's one of the best, and he can really go on. There was one special he did (maybe Too Fat for 40?) where at the beginning he said he was going to take a bunch of questions and riff quickly so he didn't bog the thing down, and then he got asked his first question and told the guy to sit down, then he spent a solid hour getting to answering it.I've always seen this video in my recommendations for years, so this is the first time watching this. Madness.
Kevin is a good story teller.
If you're really interested in stories like this read Tales From Development Hell, one of the best books about unmade films ever.
Feel free to cancel me on matters of taste but i found that footage had more positives than negatives.
pros:
the musculature and movement on the costume were great
Cage clearly knew and cared about the material
cage was the most insightful person in the room
they were trying some interesting ideas like a properly disguised clark kent
the suit as a kind of evolving baby blanket is exactly the kind of thing jor el would send
cage is extremely philosophical about the failure
cons:
the material properties and some lines on the suits
holy shit tim burton doesn't know anything about supes
the coke addled fuckups slurping tim/nic and mocking fans of the genre
as others have said you don't get even a ballpark sense of the suit's real look without proper lighting, post and color grading
BetterI'm still deciding years later if this made the movie better or worst...
This is one of my favorite "behind the scenes" Hollywood stories. It never gets old. And I'll plus one the suggestion to watch the documentary The Death of 'Superman Lives': What Happened? It's great and gives a ton of details about Tim Burton and others were working on.
One of the drafts Smith wrote has leaked out if anyone wants to read it.
Yep, I totally really wanted to see this movie
Kevin Smith, who was riding the success of his surprise hits 'Clerks' and 'Mallrats', was once commissioned by Warner Bros. to be the lead writer on a planned Superman reboot 'Superman Reborn.' He tells the story on what is less about the cancelled project and is more about the movie's executive producer; John Peters. As it turns out Peters, who was also the producer on Tim Burton's Batman, is absolutely batshit insane.
In case you can't watch the video, here's a tl;dr of the insanity that is John Peters.
Eventually, Tim Burton would become director of the project with Nicholas Cage as Superman. The project was soon scrapped, probably for the fact that it would've been a massive fucking dumpster fire.
- John had many requests for Kevin Smith in regards to the portrayal of Superman and several story beats, first of which was that Superman mustn't wear his iconic costume (which Peter describes as "too faggy")
- Peters was also insistent that Superman was to never fly at any point.
- His most baffling request, and the one that was brought up the most consistently, was that Superman was to fight a giant spider. (The creative leads and producers at Warner Bros. even vented to Smith that Peters would bring up the giant spider every day.)
- Peters specifically wanted Sean Penn to play Superman because, as he describes, he "has the eyes of a killer."
- Superman was to have personal guards at the Fortress of Solitude.
- Brainiac was to have a scene with him wrestling a polar bear.
- Braniac was to have an "R2-D2-esque" sidekick that was to have "the voice of a gay black man."
- Braniac would've also had a little dog sidekick too.
What I find most interesting is how he was willing to alter his story to satisfy a producer. Shines a light on why so many comic book movies back in the day sucked so hard.
Here's a 2017 Hollywood Reporter piece on the producer that Smith is talking about. It's fucking insane
He was very, very greenWhat I find most interesting is how he was willing to alter his story to satisfy a producer. Shines a light on why so many comic book movies back in the day sucked so hard.
What I find most interesting is how he was willing to alter his story to satisfy a producer. Shines a light on why so many comic book movies back in the day sucked so hard.
What power did Smith have to object?What I find most interesting is how he was willing to alter his story to satisfy a producer. Shines a light on why so many comic book movies back in the day sucked so hard.