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Nightengale

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I don't understand how exactly he being out of Marvelous will change that fact as he still will have to work with them for the series

So, looking at how censorship was a big factor for his departure - while still going to work on console games at a different company/still working on the series anyway as a Producer...

My speculation/pure guesswork is that the censorship debacle - which presumably had not just individual impact on his project, but company-wide change in content policy - might have made him feel that Marvelous does not value his creative inclinations and passion as a creative and an employee.

Where instead of the parent company supporting him and defending the freedom of sexual expression within the work - they instead bend their knee to Sony and made that a company-wide policy for all current and future projects.

If he doesn't feel valued as an employee, then there's really no longer any reason or attachment to stay at the company.
 

wrowa

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So, looking at how censorship was a big factor for his departure - while still going to work on console games at a different company/still working on the series anyway as a Producer...

My speculation/pure guesswork is that the censorship debacle - which presumably had not just individual impact on his project, but company-wide change in content policy - might have made him feel that Marvelous does not value his creative inclinations and passion as a creative and an employee.

Where instead of the parent company supporting him and defending the freedom of sexual expression within the work - they instead bend their knee to Sony and made that a company-wide policy for all current and future projects.

If he doesn't feel valued as an employee, then there's really no longer any reason or attachment to stay at the company.
What exactly is Marvelous supposed to be doing? They are a small fish in a big pond, Sony won't change their decision in that regard because Marvelous is protesting it. That'd be a fool's errand. Bigger publishers might have success in that regard (I guess Capcom might have used their clout in that regard considering DMC5 is more revealing in Japan than outside of it, but it might also be completely unrelated to Sony's current policy), but not Marvelous or other publishers of niche games. (And I think that's a good thing, but that's not the topic right now).

What I think is somewhat more likely is that following Sony's new policies, Marvelous reevaluated the future of the SK franchise and came to the conclusion to decrease the amount of new releases in the future as the games lose too much of their commercial appeal by cutting down on the fan service.
 
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What he should do is make more characters like Daidouji and age the characters up well into their 20s (and that means they need to really age them not just change a number but physically as well).

They got the gameplay and the concept down so they can do it if they wanted. This would remove a lot of the bad baggage this series has.
 

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I mean Hashimoto also left Marvelous but then we discovered it was for opening Hakama, a studio (subsidiary of Marvelous) dedicated on making Rune Factory / Story of Seasons games.

It seems Marvelous is creating separate studios for all their teams (even their main one is now First Studio)

Couldn't this be the same case?
 
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I mean Hashimoto also left Marvelous but then we discovered it was for opening Hakama, a studio (subsidiary of Marvelous) dedicated on making Rune Factory / Story of Seasons games.

It seems Marvelous is creating separate studios for all their teams (even their main one is now First Studio)

Couldn't this be the same case?

No, he was already given a studio called Honey∞Parade Games years ago.
 

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Honestly... I don't see the issue of having sexy games. It's like getting bothered porn exists. I feel as if these kind of games should have their place so what Sony's doing I'm not sure I agree with the more I think about it.
 

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Wasn't there some rule that he just broke? I think Sony prohibited bringing attention to their stupid censorship policies, right?
 

wrowa

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Honestly... I don't see the issue of having sexy games. It's like getting bothered porn exists. I feel as if these kind of games should have their place so what Sony's doing I'm not sure I agree with the more I think about it.
Weird comparison, considering you won't see companies like Netflix hosting porn, either. These things exist, but big service providers, TV stations and retailers usually don't sell them as they don't want to be associated with this kind of media. Companies like Sony and Valve shutting down these games on their platforms is not different to that. The issue also isn't necessarily "sexyness" per se, but rather that most of these games depict minors very questionably.
 

Eolz

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That's kinda unexpected and unsurprising at the same time.
Mixed feelings about this. Always a bit worrying when the main person behind a long lasting IP is leaving, especially after a studio was created for it, and when the next main game (that seemed promising) had already been delayed twice.
But at this point, the SK franchise will probably be better without him, as SK2 remains the peak of the franchise. I liked his vision for SK and other titles initially, but he was getting really obtuse lately in terms of platform/genres/gameplay choices, and he was probably an hindrance for Marvelous there as well. Hopefully First Studio will be put on the next SK.
It will be interesting to see what his next work is exactly about, and what his work at Cygames will look like, he got a nice job and compromise out of this.
He'd rather lose his job than move to Nintendo lol
Ahah true.
 

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Weird comparison, considering you won't see companies like Netflix hosting porn, either. These things exist, but big service providers, TV stations and retailers usually don't sell them as they don't want to be associated with this kind of media. Companies like Sony and Valve shutting down these games on their platforms is not different to that. The issue also isn't necessarily "sexyness" per se, but rather that most of these games depict minors very questionably.
I was under the impression Sony's policy actually did extend to how lewd a video game could get with adult characters.

You really wanna look at some anime tiddy of minors huh.
I have plenty of websites to look at adult women and men thank you very much.
 

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You really wanna look at some anime tiddy of minors huh.

You're talking with a woman if you didn't paid attention.

What exactly is Marvelous supposed to be doing? They are a small fish in a big pond, Sony won't change their decision in that regard because Marvelous is protesting it. That'd be a fool's errand. Bigger publishers might have success in that regard (I guess Capcom might have used their clout in that regard considering DMC5 is more revealing in Japan than outside of it, but it might also be completely unrelated to Sony's current policy), but not Marvelous or other publishers of niche games. (And I think that's a good thing, but that's not the topic right now).

What I think is somewhat more likely is that following Sony's new policies, Marvelous reevaluated the future of the SK franchise and came to the conclusion to decrease the amount of new releases in the future as the games lose too much of their commercial appeal by cutting down on the fan service.

I guess. Makes sense.
 

Kizuna

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Well, that's too bad.
Here's hoping that SK continues to exist as a franchise on platforms with a less rigorous approach to policing the appearance of fictional characters.
 

fiendcode

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No, he was already given a studio called Honey∞Parade Games years ago.
Yeah, Marvelous has basically 3 active dev groups now: First Studio (Fate/Extella series, DaemonXMachina, God Eater 3, Monster Hunter Stories), Hakama Inc. (Story of Seasons series, Rune Factory series, Dragon Marked for Death) and Honey∞Parade Games (Senran Kagura series, Uppers, Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin).
 

Eolz

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Yeah, Marvelous has basically 3 active dev groups now: First Studio (Fate/Extella series, DaemonXMachina, God Eater 3, Monster Hunter Stories), Hakama Inc. (Story of Seasons series, Rune Factory series, Dragon Marked for Death) and Honey∞Parade Games (Senran Kagura series, Uppers, Sakuna: Of Rice and Ruin).
Although Honey Parade doesn't seem to do much development, as they collaborate with other devs like Tamsoft to make the games.
 

fiendcode

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Although Honey Parade doesn't seem to do much development, as they collaborate with other devs like Tamsoft to make the games.
I think Hakama is structured similarly, Tose co-devs most of the Bokujou Monogatari games and they helped inticreates on DMFD. First Studio seems to be the bulk of Marvelous' actual dev staff and where everyone from Artoon, Feelplus and Cavia ended up who didn't leave the company.
 
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He is probably the one who is responsible for the mini-games where you grope and slap girls until you force them to give you a kiss.
 
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I don't know which game you've played, but that's not Senran Kagura.

IIRC the girls yell out displeasure about being groped and slapped. Despite this you must continuously grope and slap them until they finally agree to give a kiss. Sorry, its gross and I am glad Sony won't let them put it out there any longer
 

Scarlet Spider

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Didn't this series start out on the 3DS? I don't see why he won't go back to Nintendo with the powerful Switch? Not like Nintendo is gonna force him to abide to reporting to them in English or censoring his games. PC is a fine alternative too anyways.
 

Eolz

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IIRC the girls yell out displeasure about being groped and slapped. Despite this you must continuously grope and slap them until they finally agree to give a kiss. Sorry, its gross and I am glad Sony won't let them put it out there any longer
While the groping stuff is stupid, the kiss is not forced at all, and they do not "finally agree" to do it. You should maybe check some videos if you won't play the games, since that's not what happens at all.
Didn't this series start out on the 3DS? I don't see why he won't go back to Nintendo with the powerful Switch? Not like Nintendo is gonna force him to abide to reporting to them in English or censoring his games. PC is a fine alternative too anyways.
He's still hoping for a Vita 2, and thinks Nintendo players don't want more than spinoff titles. Yeah he's one of those guys.
 

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I was under the impression Sony's policy actually did extend to how lewd a video game could get with adult characters.
Correct, visual novels with legal agr characters have been censor and given the infamous god rays. DoA Xtreme for the PS4 is also more censor compare to the PS3 and Switch version, despite all the characters being 18 years old and over.
 
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So he's basically on CyGames now and will finish(or continue with the series) work on S7ven. Interesting situation for sure. Hopefully he expands the series to Microsoft and back to Nintendo. It's better to create a fanbase on others consoles because Sony polices are unpredictable now.
 

Bird

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Mr. Life Hometown falling upwards like a boss.

Not a fan of the series, but playful, honest cheesecake is good and will keep on going in one form or another.
 

Cow Mengde

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Fuck him and his sleazy ass games. Now go back to making games like Story of Season and Little King Story, Marvelous!
 
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I think Hakama is structured similarly, Tose co-devs most of the Bokujou Monogatari games and they helped inticreates on DMFD. First Studio seems to be the bulk of Marvelous' actual dev staff and where everyone from Artoon, Feelplus and Cavia ended up who didn't leave the company.

Wow, never knew Tose helped out on the SoS games. I wonder what's taking SoS Switch so long. I know about the Doraemon game, but that's by Brownies and published by BN, that can't be all we're getting on Switch. Hell I'd even say it's likely Hakama and Tose would take over the SoS series.
 

RPGamer

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Sounds like he wants to work on games with a broader appeal that are a bit bigger and Cygames could give him that chance. I don't think this will be the end for Senran Kagura either, he says there are other people who worked on that games for a long time, imo they could give the ip to one of them after Senran Kagura 7 is finished.
 

fiendcode

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Wow, never knew Tose helped out on the SoS games. I wonder what's taking SoS Switch so long. I know about the Doraemon game, but that's by Brownies and published by BN, that can't be all we're getting on Switch. Hell I'd even say it's likely Hakama and Tose would take over the SoS series.
You're right that Doreamon isn't the only SOS game coming to Switch. Nintendo Japan lists it separately from their tba Bokujou Monogatari game that was in the original prelaunch lineup list.
 

chrisypoo

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Honestly... I don't see the issue of having sexy games. It's like getting bothered porn exists. I feel as if these kind of games should have their place so what Sony's doing I'm not sure I agree with the more I think about it.
The games are sexist, that's why they bother some people. I would have no issue with the existence of blatantly pornographic games so long as they were hidden on the store fronts and you had to opt in to being able to see them on searches, but these games sexualize and objectify underage girls, and no matter how you spin it that's fucking gross. Honestly, I don't see why they aren't all on the banned for discussion list on this forum.

It seems like he's a paranoid person.
Gee, I wonder why.....
 

Pyro

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Pretty funny the guy is still a producer on the series. Don't care for these kind of games and while people are calling it censorship, I'd say it's Sony being aware that what they host is partially representative of them.

And I can't blame them for wanting to be less and less associated with the games/guy.
 
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Cheerilee

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Pretty funny the guy is still a producer on the series. Don't care for these kind of games and while people are calling it censorship, I'd say it's Sony being aware that what they host is partially representative of them.

And I can't blame them for not wanting to be less and less associated with the games/guy.

If a platform holder has a problem with an entire subset of gaming and wants to get rid of it, I would say that's probably an issue they should bring up when they launch their console, not five years into the console's lifespan. And if they do feel like changing on a dime mid-generation and deciding that the CERO and ESRB ratings systems are no longer strict enough for their liking, then they should be turning away games at the earliest "concept approval" stages, and not years into the game's development, weeks before the completed games launch.

Also, I find it hilarious that Sony thinks that CERO doesn't go far enough, with regards to lewdness. CERO literally doesn't allow porn games, at all, on any level (a Japanese Switch game got in a bit of trouble for that just a couple days ago, as the censorship wasn't entirely up to snuff, but CERO stepped in and took care of the problem), but they have a CERO-Z rating that exists exclusively for the bloodiest of ultraviolence.
 

Bird

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It would've been much more decent of Sony to make these changes after a lengthy notification period, instead of updating their standards after the developers have spent time and money making the title under Sony's previous requirements.

They may be within their rights, but they're still fucking over smaller devs for stuff that they couldn't know was coming.
 

Eolz

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while people are calling it censorship, I'd say it's Sony being aware that what they host is partially representative of them.
The latter doesn't make the former wrong though.
It is censorship, and going over the actual censors (the regulatory organizations like ESRB or PEGI that actually decide if this stuff is fine or not). Sony is certainly aware of that.
 

Korigama

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... He's now the general manager of CyGames console games division.

They have some absurdly talented and experienced individuals at CyGames, so I have no idea why they'd appoint him of all people. Pretty disappointed as someone who doesn't think he's really produced anything of worth.

(probably new thread worthy, but I don't want to be the one to make it as I'm pretty negative on the news)
Hm...
Takaki's newest game is an action game with character designer Nan Yaegashi. It is not supposed to be a "sexy" game though. (The magazine includes the reveal of a male character.) It might have sexy elements in the end, but they want to include more male characters than female characters.
Personally more interested in the company having a major GBVS announcement soon than anything else in respect to that article myself, including mention of a physical manual.
 

Sanox

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Takaki's newest game is an action game with character designer Nan Yaegashi. It is not supposed to be a "sexy" game though. (The magazine includes the reveal of a male character.) It might have sexy elements in the end, but they want to include more male characters than female characters

Kinda disappointed that it won't be a title focused on female characters. With Nan Yaegashi doing character designs again it would have been cool to have his designs in an a game centered around female characters where fanservice isn't much of a focus this time and the designs don't go as far as some of the SK designs.
 

Ladioss

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New husbando is incredibly good-looking

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Kinda disappointed that it won't be a title focused on female characters. With Nan Yaegashi doing character designs again it would have been cool to have his designs in an a game centered around female characters where fanservice isn't much of a focus this time and the designs don't go as far as some of the SK designs.

Agreed, but given the general context, I guess companies prefer to be safe rather than sorry.