The point is very few people get those opportunities and we see a very small handful of movies outside the superhero movie mold getting wide releases in theatres. Even Jojo Rabbit is only getting the release it is (and probably only got made in the first place) because its director went and did a Marvel movie first.The take that they are somehow burying other more cult, artsy, weird movies just makes no sense to me in the year where we have a satirical black comedy about Hitler from a director who also makes Marvel movies.
He's already spoken out against them in the past.
I have no idea who that is.
Anyway, he's not wrong, but it doesn't just apply to marvel movies. I have no idea why they keep singling them out.
The take that they are somehow burying other more cult, artsy, weird movies just makes no sense to me in the year where we have a satirical black comedy about Hitler from a director who also makes Marvel movies.
Yeah, there is irony there. The difference being he was a big fan of Star Trek and even he has said if he did this movie he would want to do it his way or he wouldn't do it. Ie, he isn't going to make something like the JJ Trek movies, he is going to make a Tarantino movie.
Maybe he did, I missed that. The two statements aren't mutually exclusive though.He mentioned in an interview that he was actually catching up and watching every MCU movie in time for Endgame.
Yeah, there is irony there. The difference being he was a big fan of Star Trek and even he has said if he did this movie he would want to do it his way or he wouldn't do it. Ie, he isn't going to make something like the JJ Trek movies, he is going to make a Tarantino movie.
Personally I DON'T think the studio will actually allow that to happen and it will probably fall apart. But we'll see.
Yeah, there is irony there. The difference being he was a big fan of Star Trek and even he has said if he did this movie he would want to do it his way or he wouldn't do it. Ie, he isn't going to make something like the JJ Trek movies, he is going to make a Tarantino movie.
Personally I DON'T think the studio will actually allow that to happen and it will probably fall apart. But we'll see.
Maybe he did, I missed that. The two statements aren't mutually exclusive though.
He also said, during one of his latest interviews, that he was reading Marvel comic books as a kid and that MCU is the closest thing we will get to see Lee's, Kirby's and Thomas' work on screen, also cited Ragnarok as his favorite film in the MCU.Yeah, there is irony there. The difference being he was a big fan of Star Trek and even he has said if he did this movie he would want to do it his way or he wouldn't do it. Ie, he isn't going to make something like the JJ Trek movies, he is going to make a Tarantino movie.
AFAIK, it did not fall apart yet. The movie that fell apart was the 4th JJ-verse movie that involved time travel and Chris Hemsworth coming back as Pine.I thought that it did fall apart, Trek might give him some leeway but he's not going to be allowed to do a Nolan.
No, I don't have a link on hand. It was a while back, I have no idea when it happened but I'm pretty sure it did.Can you link Tarantino's statement? All I'm seeing is him bingeing the films in preparation for Endgame and praising Ragnarok.
It's safe to say he's a Marvel fan. I don't think that inherently means he disagrees with the sentiment all of these other filmmakers are expressing though. He does also have the benefit of being one of that small group of filmmakers who basically gets to make whatever he wants.He also said, during one of his latest interviews, that he was reading Marvel comic books as a kid and that MCU is the closest thing we will get to see Lee's, Kirby's and Thomas' work on screen, also cited Ragnarok as his favorite film in the MCU.
When is this gatekeeping bullshit going to stop. Let people enjoy things.
I wouldn't go that far, he never said it's his favorite thing ever, but QT was never shy about liking what many of his peers would deem low-brow.It's safe to say he's a Marvel fan. I don't think that inherently means he disagrees with the sentiment all of these other filmmakers are expressing though. He does also have the benefit of being one of that small group of filmmakers who basically gets to make whatever he wants.
You can be a fan of something without it being your favorite thing ever. Why does everyone here only deal in extremes.I wouldn't go that far, he never said it's his favorite thing ever, but QT was never shy about liking what many of his peers would deem low-brow.
The point is very few people get those opportunities and we see a very small handful of movies outside the superhero movie mold getting wide releases in theatres. Even Jojo Rabbit is only getting the release it is (and probably only got made in the first place) because its director went and did a Marvel movie first.
Compared to the 2000s the variety of the major releases of this past decade has definitely decreased.
He's already spoken out against them in the past.
That Disney were reportedly very hesitant to release. That particular movie was aquired as part of the Fox buyout, if I don't misremember.
The wanking over MCU in this forum is so weird, you guys dislike better movies... I don't consider myself a snob or anything but MCU is so boring and bland imo.do ya'll really disagree with what the guys says or are you jsut stanning for MCu because you like the fi
The point is very few people get those opportunities and we see a very small handful of movies outside the superhero movie mold getting wide releases in theatres. Even Jojo Rabbit is only getting the release it is (and probably only got made in the first place) because its director went and did a Marvel movie first.
Compared to the 2000s the variety of the major releases of this past decade has definitely decreased.
Compared to the 2000's theater visits, like TV ratings have gone down overall across the board. Even when we see mega blockbuster box office success, those numbers are often boosted considerably by the fact that China has been available where previously it wasn't.
The market has changed. Technology has leapt forward. Socially, people on average are feeling stretched economically and ticket prices to see a film have gone up substantially. To ignore those factors to simply blame Superhero movies isn't sound logic.
If a gate is kept on a wall but a giant just steps over it, is there really any gatekeeping going on?Loach's comments are about Superhero movies. Go to the link in the OP and watch the video to listen to his words. THR editorialized it to refer specifically to Marvel.
Loach stating that Superhero movies have "nothing to do with the art of cinema" is gatekeeping against the creatives who make superhero movies. Trying to turn this into, "you're defending a company" is deflecting at best and obfuscation at worst. It also suggests that any defense of any film is inherently a defense of the studio(s)/financiers behind the film and that's just plain ludicrous.
Hollywood studios don't have a vice grip on the making or distribution of films outside of the standard cinema system. There are more options today for film makers to finance and distribute their films than there were during the period of Loach/Scorsese/Coppola's climb. Outside of the narrow scope of "theater screens" there is far more options and reach available. So the entire premise that blockbusters of any kind are limiting film culture is a fallacy.
Loach's ideology doesn't change the validity of my counter-point. If he is indeed basing his statements on this concept of capitalism restricting creative outlets (which I don't think there is evidence in these statements alone to substantiate), then he is either poorly informed about funding and distribution options or (and far more likely) he, for whatever reason, doesn't view these other options as valid. There's no reason to look at these other options as invalid unless traditional prestige is the barometer of measure.
If a gate is kept on a wall but a giant just steps over it, is there really any gatekeeping going on?
As I have previously explained: I think gatekeeping is about keeping diverse people and views out of mainstream spaces and culture, be it through direct or structural exclusion. Saying that actually no, gatekeeping is any attempt to criticise anyone else operating in a space robs the language of its meaning. You're equating criticism of the mainstream with exclusion of the minority. It's a twisted logic.
I feel like you're going out of your way to purposefully miss the point. Like your comment about whether Loach's comments are political. He's famously socialist. He enthusiastically supports Corbyn. When he makes a comment about commodification in cinema, of course he's talking from a socialist perspective. If you want to honestly understand where he's coming from, you have to at least attempt to engage with that perspective, when you haven't. In fact at one point you stated you didn't think the economics were important.
So, I'm gong to reiterate my original point. You can't discuss matters of gatekeeping without some kind of material grounding. If it's just about the ideas and language, then it becomes reactionary
I do appreciate that you don't feel gatekeeping is limited to social justice or material impacts, but I think that's where you're wrong. If you say that Loach is gatekeeping in this instance, then you're creating an equivalence between the struggles experienced by the most marginalised and fair criticism of the established mainstream. That robs gatekeeping of its meaning. It's a perverse distortion of language.
Dunno if we should throw a misogynist and admitted rapist on a list with these other directors.
We should. They all love Roman Polanski.Dunno if we should throw a misogynist and admitted rapist on a list with these other directors.
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Of all possible arguments, you choose to boast with your own ignorance.
Fine, I'll help you out.
List of Ken Loachs awards throughout his film making career
Not a difference that I give a shit about.That was about my reaction when I first learned of it. Then I went and took a long, hard look at the sizable Jodorowsky comic collection I own. :(
I think revering someone like Polanski over his films is wayyyy different from actually being a rapist (and proud of it!) yourself.
I saw the video interview where he talked about what he did. He was happy about it, gleeful like a child. I felt dirty watching it. >_<
I got that, I watched (and liked) GOTG. It still implies Loach is a total unknown.
It's really depressing. I love both his movies and the comics he did with Moebius, and the entire thing just grosses me out to no end.
It's just a meme bro! I don't have anything substantial to say.
<shrug> To a good amount of people, he is. What's the problem with that? Plenty of painters have pictures that are far more well known than the painters themselves. If you tell someone "Well this popular painting X is actually by Painter Y", they'll be able to put two and two together, but more often than not, people rarely remember directors.
Shouldn't really have been a surprise to any of us, though. His comics are just drenched in misogyny. Especially the current Meta Baron run had me do several triple-takes in the vein of "he didn't just write that, did he??"