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Ken Loach Says Marvel Films Are "Made as Commodities Like Hamburgers"
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The point is very few people get those opportunities and we see a very small handful of movies outside the superhero movie mold getting wide releases in theatres. Even Jojo Rabbit is only getting the release it is (and probably only got made in the first place) because its director went and did a Marvel movie first.
Compared to the 2000s the variety of the major releases of this past decade has definitely decreased.
He's already spoken out against them in the past.
Probably because they're prompted to. It gets the clicks/impressions.
That Disney were reportedly very hesitant to release. That particular movie was aquired as part of the Fox buyout, if I don't misremember.
He mentioned in an interview that he was actually catching up and watching every MCU movie in time for Endgame.
Don't you know Justin Beiber sold way more than Beethoven ever did??????
Yeah, there is irony there. The difference being he was a big fan of Star Trek and even he has said if he did this movie he would want to do it his way or he wouldn't do it. Ie, he isn't going to make something like the JJ Trek movies, he is going to make a Tarantino movie.
Personally I DON'T think the studio will actually allow that to happen and it will probably fall apart. But we'll see.
Maybe he did, I missed that. The two statements aren't mutually exclusive though.
I thought that it did fall apart, Trek might give him some leeway but he's not going to be allowed to do a Nolan.
Can you link Tarantino's statement? All I'm seeing is him bingeing the films in preparation for Endgame and praising Ragnarok.
He also said, during one of his latest interviews, that he was reading Marvel comic books as a kid and that MCU is the closest thing we will get to see Lee's, Kirby's and Thomas' work on screen, also cited Ragnarok as his favorite film in the MCU.
AFAIK, it did not fall apart yet. The movie that fell apart was the 4th JJ-verse movie that involved time travel and Chris Hemsworth coming back as Pine.
No, I don't have a link on hand. It was a while back, I have no idea when it happened but I'm pretty sure it did.
It's safe to say he's a Marvel fan. I don't think that inherently means he disagrees with the sentiment all of these other filmmakers are expressing though. He does also have the benefit of being one of that small group of filmmakers who basically gets to make whatever he wants.
Some people are going into a blind rage that these guys are hating on Marvel specifically or something when it's not really about that at all. No one is saying these movies shouldn't exist. They're just saying they shouldn't be all that exists.
Let old dudes to have their opinion on Marvel movies. Who cares what they think about them? Is not like they are physically blocking ppl to see them,neither impeding ppl from enjoying them.
Director that made his career of socially conscious movies doesn't like Marvel movies? Oh what a surprise!... Nah, who cares!
I wouldn't go that far, he never said it's his favorite thing ever, but QT was never shy about liking what many of his peers would deem low-brow.
You can be a fan of something without it being your favorite thing ever. Why does everyone here only deal in extremes.
I guess I just don't see it that way, as it's not like Hollywood has always been the most open marketplace.
It doesn't feel any less varied to me, and I don't even agree that there is THAT much overlap in styles even within Marvel thanks to movies like Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel.
We are seeing directors like Jordan Peele and Jon M. Chu get mad love from both audiences and critics, which is a lot more interesting than Scorsese making another gangster movie IMHO.
The 2000s were the same thing with CBMs dominating the top of the charts.
There were just more high fantasy franchises there to balance out the modern comic book movies.
Lord of The Rings and Harry Potter dominated the charts back then...
The wanking over MCU in this forum is so weird, you guys dislike better movies... I don't consider myself a snob or anything but MCU is so boring and bland imo.
Compared to the 2000's theater visits, like TV ratings have gone down overall across the board. Even when we see mega blockbuster box office success, those numbers are often boosted considerably by the fact that China has been available where previously it wasn't.
The market has changed. Technology has leapt forward. Socially, people on average are feeling stretched economically and ticket prices to see a film have gone up substantially. To ignore those factors to simply blame Superhero movies isn't sound logic.
But why talk about the nuances when we can just blame superhero movies?
If a gate is kept on a wall but a giant just steps over it, is there really any gatekeeping going on?
As I have previously explained: I think gatekeeping is about keeping diverse people and views out of mainstream spaces and culture, be it through direct or structural exclusion. Saying that actually no, gatekeeping is any attempt to criticise anyone else operating in a space robs the language of its meaning. You're equating criticism of the mainstream with exclusion of the minority. It's a twisted logic.
I feel like you're going out of your way to purposefully miss the point. Like your comment about whether Loach's comments are political. He's famously socialist. He enthusiastically supports Corbyn. When he makes a comment about commodification in cinema, of course he's talking from a socialist perspective. If you want to honestly understand where he's coming from, you have to at least attempt to engage with that perspective, when you haven't. In fact at one point you stated you didn't think the economics were important.
So, I'm gong to reiterate my original point. You can't discuss matters of gatekeeping without some kind of material grounding. If it's just about the ideas and language, then it becomes reactionary
I do appreciate that you don't feel gatekeeping is limited to social justice or material impacts, but I think that's where you're wrong. If you say that Loach is gatekeeping in this instance, then you're creating an equivalence between the struggles experienced by the most marginalised and fair criticism of the established mainstream. That robs gatekeeping of its meaning. It's a perverse distortion of language.
About the bolded part, how do you feel about the fact that Black Panther is the highest grossing movie in cinema history by a black director?
Would discrediting the entire MCU and by relation one of the most influential and successful pieces of media by an African-American creative not fall directly under this moral high ground you seem to be taking over these gatekeeping semantics?
Dunno if we should throw a misogynist and admitted rapist on a list with these other directors.
That was about my reaction when I first learned of it. Then I went and took a long, hard look at the sizable Jodorowsky comic collection I own. :(
I think revering someone like Polanski over his films is wayyyy different from actually being a rapist (and proud of it!) yourself.
I saw the video interview where he talked about what he did. He was happy about it, gleeful like a child. I felt dirty watching it. >_<
Of all possible arguments, you choose to boast with your own ignorance.
Fine, I'll help you out.
List of Ken Loachs awards throughout his film making career
I got that, I watched (and liked) GOTG. It still implies Loach is a total unknown.
It's really depressing. I love both his movies and the comics he did with Moebius, and the entire thing just grosses me out to no end.
<shrug> To a good amount of people, he is. What's the problem with that? Plenty of painters have pictures that are far more well known than the painters themselves. If you tell someone "Well this popular painting X is actually by Painter Y", they'll be able to put two and two together, but more often than not, people rarely remember directors.
Shouldn't really have been a surprise to any of us, though. His comics are just drenched in misogyny. Especially the current Meta Baron run had me do several triple-takes in the vein of "he didn't just write that, did he??"
It's just a meme bro! I don't have anything substantial to say.
Or maybe I'm trying to bring some levity to a pointless debate.
It's not an issue in and of itself, but this thread is full of people dismissing his opinions as those of as an old, unknown and irrelevant director, when he is in fact incredibly lauded with an extensive catalogue of approachable and humanist films.
It's just a somewhat lazy response, and more often than not comes across as bragging about your own ignorance.