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Kathleen Kennedy: We are focusing on setting future SW movies in the sequel era and beyond
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This is one of many ways to interpret the movie, I'm really tired of people talking shit about TROS fans because most of them aren't TLJ haters or alt right asshats. You couldn't be more wrong about this opinion when it comes to how I view the movie so maybe just chill. Not everyone lives online and cared about the arguments Stans got into and drew lines between the films, a lot of people like all three and have no major issues. This is super reductive.
They're goofy space movies not culture war propaganda, get this rot out of your brains everyone, TROS TLJ people have created more fiction about the meaning of these movies than the movies themselves even have.
Either go far, far into the future or far into the past. Anything that lets me pretend the sequel Trilogy never happened. Sequel era is just so fucking bad. It's pretty much killed my interest in the entire franchise.
It's a completely creatively bankrupt rehash, with no world building, and it makes the entire galaxy feel smaller than Rhode Island. It's just terrible.
I do really like Taika's stuff though, so hopefully he's able to make something good.
I still can't get over how disappointed I was after seeing TFA opening weekend. So many possibilities for a post-RotJ galaxy, and they have to just set everything back to how it was so they can rehash everything for the cheapest attempts at mining nostalgia I've ever seen. The entire political and logistical setup makes zero sense, and I could not have possibly rolled my eyes harder than when they brought out yet another Deathstar. I don't know if anyone involved even knows what world-building is. I've genuinely struggled to get excited for anything Star Wars since then. Even Mandalorian, which I like, I'm just kinda "meh" about the new season. I'll get to it eventually, but I feel zero hype for it.
It's a completely creatively bankrupt rehash, with no world building, and it makes the entire galaxy feel smaller than Rhode Island. It's just terrible.
I do really like Taika's stuff though, so hopefully he's able to make something good.
I still can't get over how disappointed I was after seeing TFA opening weekend. So many possibilities for a post-RotJ galaxy, and they have to just set everything back to how it was so they can rehash everything for the cheapest attempts at mining nostalgia I've ever seen. The entire political and logistical setup makes zero sense, and I could not have possibly rolled my eyes harder than when they brought out yet another Deathstar. I don't know if anyone involved even knows what world-building is. I've genuinely struggled to get excited for anything Star Wars since then. Even Mandalorian, which I like, I'm just kinda "meh" about the new season. I'll get to it eventually, but I feel zero hype for it.
I think they keep pushing it because the Disney World Star Wars land is based on the sequels. Even that new expensive Disney Star Wars resort that doesn't have real windows is set in sequel territory with Rey and Kylo Ren actors traipsing across it. Gotta justify those mutli-million/billion expenditures somehow and keep people going to those locations.
Hoping the plotting fails for it all.
Yup, exactly. Plus I don't know how people think the alt right fans who hated TLJ like TROS? Yhey hated both if not all 3.
Everyone convienantly forgot that the guy who made TROS also made TFA who has the characters they love, and that TFA was ALSO hated by these people. However because these fucks were awful to KMT they created this insane fiction about how TLJ is the bastion of the left and is the ultimate SW movie and TROS is an evil rug pull on it which makes fuck all sense
If I was running Lucasfilm I would visit these video game studios developing out these dozen Star Wars games in different settings and steal artists writers and creatives to design a new movie universe. And then steal the other half to create Star Wars Game of Thrones prestige tv universe in a different time period
in other words, hire fans lol
in other words, hire fans lol
Please no, I've seen the way people on this forum "fixed" TLJ. đź‘€
I don't like the sequels but I don't really have a problem with movies being set in that time period if they have a good story to tell. I do find it interesting that they aren't milking the shit out of the old republic though, I feel like there's such a wealth of possible material there.
Sure, that sounds good in theory. In practice, I don't trust Disney at all to produce a film that's as good as A New Hope. Because that kind of strong foundation is needed to anchor a new path and new story that doesn't lean heavily on the Lucas world and characters. I just don't think Disney has the artistic focus to do so and don't think they were the right company that could allow Star Wars to flourish. But, good luck I guess.
A lot of them tbh they just don't spend their time online talking about SW which btw with the case for most franchises, the average person doesn't engage with this stuff the same way. I think that movie rules as messy as it is, same with TLJ and the entire ST. Y'all sound like the adults who were salty about the PT.
ding ding ding
Super fans (of which I am one) will never have enough self awareness to realize this sadly. It's the ultimate echo chamber. Being an executive over a franchise like SW is probably a nightmare trying to please all the different flavors of fans in addition to the casual watchers. If millennials asked their parents what they think about the ST movies they'd get a reasonable answer for how most folks feel.
So we're back to where I started when I came into the thread: these movies are for kids. At least, until you grow up and find they were speaking, however peripherally, to something real thematically. The Prequel Trilogy inspires "it was actually good" videos...
...now from the kids who watched it and grew to love it based on the space wizard adventure, and only now are grasping and seeing in the world around them the hidden depth in the story about the pre-arranged death of a democracy. While the adults weaned on the Original Trilogy largely scorned the prequels decrying all the "politics."
Those same, now adult, prequel fans complain about how much of the past original trilogy haunts the sequel trilogy, and how schizophrenic the sequel trilogy is arguing with itself over where power comes from, and who deserves power (and to be a space wizard).
And that's aptly fitting for the next generation of kids. The very conflict, largely online, over the nature and the message of the movies themselves reflects the generation of kids they are for.
It's honestly amazing Finn didn't become a jedi. It was setup from TFA, Rian's entire theme was devoted to jedis coming from outside the Skywalker bloodline. Having that bookend the fight from TFA with Rey and a not-yet-jedi Finn to full on jedi Finn just makes sense. Embarrassing cohesion to the Sequel trilogies.
I think they need to leap some 400 years in the future, have technology within the SW world advance, really focus on world building and where the universe is at that point. Bring in George to consult if he would. Tie it loosely to the first 9 films, but otherwise start fresh. Find a way to pull our interest in, in a slow-building manner. None of this reliance on a cheap Palpatine, vader, skywalker, etc connection
I think they need to leap some 400 years in the future, have technology within the SW world advance, really focus on world building and where the universe is at that point. Bring in George to consult if he would. Tie it loosely to the first 9 films, but otherwise start fresh. Find a way to pull our interest in, in a slow-building manner. None of this reliance on a cheap Palpatine, vader, skywalker, etc connection
Lol they did hire fans and look at the mess we got. Hell they even hired Original Trilogy fans!
Yes, however, I didnt want to get into a debate behind the themes and meaning of the films, partly because there are many other ways to look at the themes in TROS other than the reductive rewriting of TLJ that people claim it is.
Almost no one putting TLJ on a pedistal is ever willing to admit that and so I just dont bother because as a subjective medium there is no wrong answer so maybe people shouldn't be so up in arms about as you say space wizards.
Edit: adding in because I dont want this to be mistaken for any kind of rebuttal of your comment. I wholly agree and i think the cyclical nature of the ST is really fitting for both the franchise and for our time.
Thank you. "Cynical nature of the ST" is a perfect tl;dr of my rant.
And, officially, I only like the Rey/Luke/Kylo arc of The Last Jedi. The misguided farcical heist storyline running through Canto Blight and wrapping up Phasma was an embarrassment, and more than a large part of the sidelining of Finn's character.
I'm pretty out of it from my meds but I am leaving that typeo because it is hilarious in the context.
Also totally agree I thought everything with the Force weilders was awesome minus Leia being out of it I wish we had more time with her
You'd have to sanitize the vong hardcore to make them work in mainstream movies. As it stands they are like something out of 40k. But a properly done NJO style era could be awesome.
Have the New republic ba an actual factio ith an actual personality instead of redshirts who ide off screen. Have imperial/first order remnant be like a wild card. Redesign the Vong to be more dark elf and less Hellraiser and you've got a colld setting for some great 3 way warfare. You could easily make the vong into a pretty decent commentary of modern science denialism.
Hell, you could even have teen Grogu be one of the Jedi knights. Synergy!
Honestly yeah a repurposed Vong could be good. Shake up the inevitable status quo of a new New Republic and an Imperial Remanent out there fighting for control. Have a giant galactic wide war for control between the 3 factions that eventually turns into an Alliance against the Vong.
Can't wait for the Sequel Sequel trilogy where the new gigantic Second Order rises up and the tiny rebel forces have to take down the Death Hole, a star sized space station that shoots black holes.
I just want new stories in the Star Wars universe, I love the original trilogy but I don't need anymore Skywalker stories.
The Grysk is a thing. First Canon Thrawn Trilogy ends with Him delaying the Invasions.
If TROS didn't shit all over TLJ, the new main enemy beyond the sequel era would probably have been the arms dealers who were profiting from both sides of the conflict.
Kylo Ren should have been the main antagonist in episode ix. Beyond that, I don't see the warlords, bankers as the future main villains, they're opportunistic but probably too cowardly to be the villains.
With the First Order and the Republic out of the way, go full waring states period this time around. A broken galaxy that has to be unified the hard way against either some greater threat or maybe just not at all as they vie for power. Different factions with different force users. Rey, Finn, and Poe leading the discovery of it all. Basically Star Trek Star Wars.
Yeah. Honestly, I don't know what they can do to expand it beyond Episode 6. So the fact we even had a sequel trilogy to begin with...
Sequel era as in post ep 9? I'm down. I want to move forward away from 7-9. I was happy with 7. So much potential with great new cast. Didn't like how some the events unfolded in 8 and 9.
There's almost no interest in the sequel era, not a good move.
Do KOTOR, people will go apeshit.
Do KOTOR, people will go apeshit.
Its amazing how well the New Jedi Order series continues to age as times go by. Its ditched the Rebels vs Empire dynamic entirely and did its own thing with incomprehensible invaders from beyond the galaxy.
My only hope is that the reception Visions received gets Lucasfilms to greenlight some anime series.
Slap non-canon on it and let a few good studios go nuts.
Slap non-canon on it and let a few good studios go nuts.
Good, good. The more volume they push out of their sphincter, the higher the probability that a diamond will emerge from the diarrhea that is Star Wars (excluding A New Hope, Empire and the Last Jedi). Maybe a physicist here can help me with defining the probability distribution (I'm thinking Poisson but with respect to volume, not time).
Let's just make sure we plan out an actual storyline this time and also get some good writers on board so we don't have a repeat of "We need to pull some Holdo maneuvers. Do some real damage.".
Also, I will never forgive the queer baiting of Poe and Finn. JJ's introduction of two characters that seem purpose-built to crush the idea of that romance is hilarious to me, Zorii Bliss and Jannah. Oh and SPACE HORSES.
Also, I will never forgive the queer baiting of Poe and Finn. JJ's introduction of two characters that seem purpose-built to crush the idea of that romance is hilarious to me, Zorii Bliss and Jannah. Oh and SPACE HORSES.