Well, the fact that Pakistan and India both have nuclear weapons at their disposal, everyone will be linked to this if they actually go at it
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Kashmir border air skirmishes UPDATE 28/02: Pakistan to release captured pilot as peace gesture
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Well, the fact that Pakistan and India both have nuclear weapons at their disposal, everyone will be linked to this if they actually go at it
Even if they were to nuke each other which is highly unlikely, it's not WW3 or a nuclear winter. Get a grip.
Do you understand what the population of India is? do you think if a nuclear weapon went off in their country there would not be ramifications?
they didn't cross LOC hoping for a war, neither is there any idication that Indian government support or promots war. Objective is simple, there are terrorist camps on Pakistan soil, this has been proven time and time again by not just India but also US. And Pakistan has never taken any action despite the allegations. So if you can't take care of this shit, we will handle it our way. Thats basically the message india is sending. There can't be a fucking peace talk if you can't even accept the fact that these terrorist groups exist.
I get what you mean, but you have to understand that the narrative in India (among the liberal journalists you quoted) is that the original airstrike was against terrorists and not Pakistan, even if it took place in Pakistani territory. Pakistani planes skirmishing with Indian ones and then a pilot getting captured is an escalation with Pakistan.
If you can find anyone baying for blood against Pakistan itself and then clamouring for peace, sure, I guess?
So I assume you think China has no interest in India and Pakistan, well you might want to read up on that
It's not that simple though. No country would tolerate unsanctioned attacks conducted by some other nation within their borders, regardless of whether it was directed at terrorists or not. The US is probably the sole exception who can get away with it.
Even in the Osama case, I remember Imran Khan showing extreme displeasure at the fact that the country's sovereignty was breached and that it was embarrassing for the then government.
Pakistan has confirmed that only one pilot is in custody. The stories from both sides are finally starting to match up.
You might want to read up on the previous India-Pakistani conflicts.
If he is returned to India in good health it will be a tremendous boost to de escalate. I hope he is soon
There's footage now, too. It's kind of heartwarming to see him chat respectfully over a cup of tea.
They have different leader now. Can we be hopeful (for a changing pakistan) instead of cynical for once?
It would be nice if it was this, but as of yet there has been 0 evidence from IAF about what targets they struck or were aiming for. They claim to have destroyed some buildings and killed 300+ terrorist, no nearby village/town reports suggest anything like that. No influx in any hospitals etc.
As of yet, this is turning out to be another phantom surgical strike like the last time. However what is true is that IAF air crafts did enter Pakistani air space and dropped off some bombs whether on a building or empty forested areas and Pakistan did warn about retaliation of some kind. The Pakistani authorities have been real quick in providing evidence, whether it be from the wreckage of the payload the IAF crafts dropped or now this captured pilot. No such effort from the Indian side besides wide claims of 'hitting a lot of targets' or 'killing a lot of people'.
It's unfortunate but this looks like a Modi-led stunt for his re-election campaign, he's already using it as fuel for his campaign speeches.
You have the Iranian foreign minister resigning through Instagram and you are surprised ?
Do you have source for that? I mean I never heard China would care to participant in any conflict between India and Parkistan. The only problem they have with those countries is typical border clash issue.
The "detailed statement" from the MEA seems to have been released. I haven't found it in its entirety yet, but the briefs, from the ANI Twitter:
"MEA: Acting High Commissioner of Pakistan was summoned this afternoon by MEA to lodge a strong protest at unprovoked act of aggression by Pakistan against India earlier today, including violation of the Indian air space by Pakistan Air Force & targeting of Indian military posts"
"MEA: This is in contrast to India's non-military anti-terror pre-emptive strike at a JeM terrorist camp in Balakot on 26 Feb 2019."
"MEA: It is unfortunate that instead of fulfilling its international obligation & bilateral commitment to take credible action against terrorist entities and individuals operating from its soil, Pakistan has acted with aggression against India."
"MEA: India also strongly objected to Pakistan's vulgar display of an injured personnel of the Indian Air Force in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention."
"MEA: It was made clear that Pakistan would be well advised to ensure that no harm comes to the Indian defence personnel in its custody. India also expects his immediate and safe return."
"MEA: Acting High Commissioner of Pakistan was summoned this afternoon by MEA to lodge a strong protest at unprovoked act of aggression by Pakistan against India earlier today, including violation of the Indian air space by Pakistan Air Force & targeting of Indian military posts"
"MEA: This is in contrast to India's non-military anti-terror pre-emptive strike at a JeM terrorist camp in Balakot on 26 Feb 2019."
"MEA: It is unfortunate that instead of fulfilling its international obligation & bilateral commitment to take credible action against terrorist entities and individuals operating from its soil, Pakistan has acted with aggression against India."
"MEA: India also strongly objected to Pakistan's vulgar display of an injured personnel of the Indian Air Force in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention."
"MEA: It was made clear that Pakistan would be well advised to ensure that no harm comes to the Indian defence personnel in its custody. India also expects his immediate and safe return."
That is only if you look at things one way, which is the Indian side. The claim of strike and casualties have yet to be proven by any source while the Pakistani side of the story is with zero casualties and only a few craters being formed due to the payload being dropped by the Indian jets. If you drop multiple 250 KG bombs, there will be aftermath which wasn't the case here hence it was called as a bluff from India.
The other way to look is how IAF violated LoC and this is no laughing matter. So Pakistan had to prepare a reply back, which they did today.
China has many personal interest in this conflict or any conflict between these two nations (China lately has been basically getting a good relationship with Pakistan and various countries surrounding India). Also China has its own border issues with India.
So that's Pakistan/India with War tension and Israel/Syria-Iran too. Where else should we be worried?
If you don't think it would have ramifications everywhere else in the world, you're misguided. You're looking for the worst two things. Two nuclear powers launching nuclear weapons at each other has never happened.
I wouldn't hyperbole this situation, while it is concerning, it is something both countries do every 20 years or so.
While this video may be received better, I was right in saying releasing the previous video on twitter was not a good move as evident by the above statement from the MEA.
I mean China is heavily linked economically, obviously they would never publicly say they would participate in conflict
Here's the full statement from India's Ministry of External Affairs.
A key detail that was left out of ANI's tweets:
That definitely sounds like a de-escalation to me because it looks like India wants to engage with Pakistan diplomatically now.
A key detail that was left out of ANI's tweets:
That definitely sounds like a de-escalation to me because it looks like India wants to engage with Pakistan diplomatically now.
Wouldn't it be easier for China to jus wait until they destroyed themselves, then wait a century or two for the radioactivity to settle down, and annex whatever part they want?
He would never accuse their "ally" directly. Who believes they wouldn't notice a huge complex in the middle of nowhere?
I do hope, but they have done jack shit to curb these terrorists to date.
These two officers actually operated with 10x more class than the Indian media/government.
I don't see the "vulgar display" as purported by the MEA statement. Hopefully they de-escalate this nonsense.
I don't think anyone operates or makes plans for a century or two long timeline.
That was in response to the previous video, where the pilot was blindfolded + visibly injured.
I think they are referring to the images and video that showed him with a bloodied face (which, from the evidence, really looks like it was inflicted by civilians and not the Army). Pakistan tweeted the video originally, but then deleted it. I'm not familiar with the Geneva Convention, so I don't really know if it broke that or what.
Technically your not supposed to make a public curiosity of POW's, but I don't think there is a single nation that has ever followed that rule.
(Edited post using more accurate nomenclature.)
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thats because you haven't seen the initial videos and imagies they released
Which reportedly were not things done by the Pakistani infantry, whom infact de-escalated the situation. That should be praised if anything.
They'd have been damned if they it, damned if they didn't. The original video was already circulating news coverage and if the last/only thing anyone saw of the pilot was him being surrounded by a civilian mob, that would be an equally bad look. I would say releasing a follow up showing the pilot is A-OK and being treated well was almost a necessity to save face.
This is escalation has there was before. It's the msy serious one in years. It But it will deescalate at some point.
There won't be a nuclear conflict because of this.
There won't be a nuclear conflict because of this.
Yup. Basically the US had enough stealth tech to infiltrate deep and get out before things were noticed etc. No country likes/wants unauthorized military action on its soil/airspace. Even if it is against terrorists.
Yes, this is good to see.
I see thanks for clarifying. Regardless that video seems in good faith.
If it's Bangladesh or other small countries where they have some projects which relate to their one belt one road initiative or given them loans, sure. I never heard China has anything like that with India/Parkistan though. The only thing is high speed train project which hasn't even been approved yet. Or if we talk about the consumer market, the same thing apply to every other countries which has access to both countries too.
India and Parkistan has been in conflict since the birth of Jesus and I still haven't seen any country care to participate in that. Even the west. I reall really doubt China care enough to be part of this. They get nothing out of it.
Glad to see he looks fine. Hope he is returned as a gesture of good will.
Normally I wouldnt be worried and say that de-escalation would kick in before it gets crazy. But Modi has an election to win and he will happily do it over a mountain of corpses if he has to. TV news has been salivating for a war too.
Maybe like a 7 on a 1-10 worried scale.
Maybe like a 7 on a 1-10 worried scale.
This pretty much echoes my thoughts. Whether or not this escalates depends on Modi's reaction.
He's been cleaned up. There is footage of the other pilot (who looked dead or very close to death at the time) and this guy blindfolded with blood pouring down his face with that same background.
Pakistan has now reversed its position on having shot down 2 Indian aircraft and having two pilots in captivity.
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It would appear that India's narrative of events might be more factual with 2 planes having been lost, one from Pakistan and one from India - with the Indian pilot being treated well as is evidenced in the video above.
The reports of two parachutes being seen and the aircraft crashing in Pakistani territory might have been from the PAF F-16 which I believe flies with 2 crew.
With Imran Khan's message, the resumption of air travel into North India from earlier, the video of the Indian pilot and India having handed over a dossier to Pakistan confirming terrorist activity on Pak Soil, I'm hoping that the worst is past us.
EDIT: The video in that article is sensationalist crap, but it does convey the position change.