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Karen assumes woman didn’t pay for her Panera order, berates her until she cries
- Thread starter Commander Quackers
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its more expensive than a dunkin donuts but its not like the coffee is made from those poop beans they charge thousands for
Stop looking for logic in racism.
Racism is inherently illogical.
It's 2022, when are people going to stop falling for the Okey doke of trying to figure this shit out?
Stop looking for logic in racism.
Racism is inherently illogical.
Racism is inherently illogical.
It's 2022, when are people going to stop falling for the Okey doke of trying to figure this shit out?
Stop looking for logic in racism.
Racism is inherently illogical.
The benefit of the doubt is always given to white people. It's mental illness this or that. Same with mass shooters. The moment the shade of skin gets darker that's all out of the window. I see it on these forums often, including this thread.Look at all these mentally ill people here. Who would do that?! It's not like there's long history of trying to police the presence of poc in food establishments (or any other shared space).
I apologize. I'm not trying to excuse it. She is absolutely in the wrong. It's just that racism seems to make people act crazy. I guess the recent mod post said it right, stop looking for logic in racist thought.
Unfortunately, every generation gets more conservative as it gets older.
Based on what? "Studies" by right wing freaks? Are they the same studies that argue that everyone finds god (the Christian god, of course) on their deathbed, which is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard?
We have a local woman who yells at people on the street about all kinds of things. She's clearly mentally ill and maybe doesn't know where she is but people shouldn't have to deal with that either way and the police just let her do it to everyone. Whether someone is lucid or not they shouldn't have free reign to fuck with everyone.
That doesn't mean it's not expensive. There aren't many substantive combinations of their food that won't cost you at least $10.
Unfortunately, every generation gets more conservative as it gets older.
Nope im getting gayer and weirder as I get older and no ones gonna stop me
User Banned (2 Weeks): Downplaying racism, Inappropriate commentary regretting mental health
Racism is a mental issue.
That woman was spouting so many right-wing talking points she couldn't even keep them straight.
I think there's some mental illness involved in this, as she's clearly being belligerent for belligerent's sake. I've dealt with plenty of older people (primarily relatives including my Grandma), who would get like this at times. The older they got, the less of a filter they had.
The racism, however, is all her. She wouldn't keep watching that media if she didn't already agree with it.
I think there's some mental illness involved in this, as she's clearly being belligerent for belligerent's sake. I've dealt with plenty of older people (primarily relatives including my Grandma), who would get like this at times. The older they got, the less of a filter they had.
The racism, however, is all her. She wouldn't keep watching that media if she didn't already agree with it.
Yes. It's also deep seated and drilled into new generations that its flippant to call it just a choice. People fight against CRT being taught because it can potentially break that machine. Gotta keep kids ignorant to carry their baggage into the future.
It's not even the whole story:
Panera Customer Handcuffed After Screaming About Woman's 'Stolen' Drink
"I'm sick of paying for others that don't pay," the customer shouted.www.newsweek.com
View: https://www.tiktok.com/@klairemaki/video/7122279941785472302
seems like the old lady has a mental illness but not going to discount that saying an Asian woman probably triggered her.
I mean, for what you get, it's way too freaking much. But no, it's fast food sandwiches
User Banned (2 Weeks): Victim Blaming
Ok I get that the old lady is a POS and deserves to be shamed back into her hole but I dont get what the motivation is to stand there so long filming? Why after she clearly demonstrated her shittyness and you caught it on camera does the victim not just leave? Why stand there so long absorbing additional abuse? You allready got enough footage to make your case against this evil woman why stick around just to deliver the tears that woman wanted to see so bad? I just dont get it? It frustrates me cause Ive seen it play out this way multiple times now. Its like leave dont give this woman what she wants.
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It's not even the whole story:
Panera Customer Handcuffed After Screaming About Woman's 'Stolen' Drink
"I'm sick of paying for others that don't pay," the customer shouted.
View: https://www.tiktok.com/@klairemaki/video/7122279941785472302
The police can't just say she's a racist, just chalk it up to mental health. White people do this all the time. The racist shit she said had nothing to do with mental health. Also, white folks keep assuming mental health issues with racist episodes even though there usually isn't a formal diagnosis being revealed, just like in this case.
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She can be a racist and mentally ill. Its not like there mutualy exclusive. In my exp mentally Ill tend to be more overt with there shitty views including racism. It not the cause of it but it makes it alot harder for them to mask. This shouldnt be controversal.
I don't agree with the "no logic" part. There is indeed a very evil logic at play with racism: a systemically-implemented caste system based on people's skin color / phenotypic features / ethnicity used to subjugate, control, and exploit the peoples designated as being on the bottom rungs for the sole benefit of those peoples designated as being on the top rungs. I don't know if everyone who is racist inherently understands this logic, as it is hegemonic in our society at this point. But that indeed is the very evil logic behind this all.
Why should the victim have to leave? Keep filming and let the bigot hang themself.
But it's not a caste system, because we see, routinely, again and again, white people forgo rights and privileges that would uplift their social standing, so long as they can be convinced that being in support of said rights would benefit racial ethnicities even a little bit.
I understand your point though; there is a hierarchy in who is subject to the brunt of racist treatment, largely based of nationality, colorism and phonotype. Definitely not wrong about that. I just subscribe to the belief that, at its core, all this shit is inherently illogical. Too often the "I don't understand why they act like this!?" tears from "allies" ring hollow, and like the cries of people not actually interested in combatting racism versus enacting the same exercises of fruitless surprise over, and over, and over, and fucking over.
I think it comes down to the old saying of "cut off one's nose to spite one's face.", as in, for most, most of the perceived benefits of the in-group are just that. At some level, most racist in-group people know they are not much better off than the out-group, and therefore act out destructively in resentment against the scapegoat the powerful forces in society redirect the powerless's angst at. The rich and powerful fully realize the target should be on their back, and that's where we get this LBJ gem from:
"I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it," he said. "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
The rich and powerful effectively wield this scapegoating tactic as their main divide and conquer strategy.
Snopes talks about it more here:
LBJ: 'If You Can Convince the Lowest White Man He's Better Than the Best Colored Man ...'
President Lyndon B. Johnson, who grew up in the South and understood the politics of racism from the inside, saw it in part as a ploy to divide and conquer.
www.snopes.com
I've just moved further and further left. It doesn't happen to everyone.Unfortunately, every generation gets more conservative as it gets older.
Exactly, mental issues could cause some to behave erratic but she went straight for "oh so you do speak English… SPEAK ANY OTHER LANGUAGES" to an Asian woman.
Says enough lol
I never said she has to leave. I said why keep standing asorbing abuse? She would feel better and the situation would be less traumatizing to her mental healthbif she just recorded what was nessessary and removed herself frombwhat is an abusive situation. Its doesnt mean she has to but it would be benifical too her. She had all the evidence she needed already. Why continue to absorb abuse. Its not victim blaming to want people to remove them selves from shitty situations. Its not ideal. But life isnt. Its not her fault what haopening or her responsibilty to walk away but that doesnt mean its not a good idea.
Yup!
For a place that thinks it's so progressive its true colours are shown whenever a White Person is racist, and/or commits a mass shooting. Then we get to see a bunch of posters trip over themselves racing to be the first to bring up the mental illness excuse and defense. And some will double down when that bullshit is called out on.
This place is progressive for issues that actually affect White People, like LGBTQIA2+ issues. For issues that don't affect White People, such as racism, Anti-Asian hate and violence, anti-blackness, etc, this place is more White Liberal - progressive-ish, so long as it doesn't inconvenience White People, or, god forbid, make them look bad.
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Im not saying it her responsibiltiy to do anything. Im not blaming her for anything. Im saying it would have been better for her mental health to step away from a hostile woman. Why is that controversal?
Mods: if the only commentsin these threads about what victims do when confronted with opression is to condem and move on with out anything else then I will step out. Just let me know. Im not trying to victim blame or derail. I just figured I could express my confusion and frustration. But these are sensitive topics and passions in these threads are noteably high and if that means you dont want any comments that rub people the wrong way i dont nessesarily argree but Im willing to leave this thread. Just give me the heads up. Ive no want to cause greif.
She got people involved, she did the right thing and the racist faced consequences. She froze by staying there, and her Tiktok comments section was talking about how that's a valid response to stress. You know, fight/flight/freeze/friend/fawn. When you're in a stressful situation, your frontal lobe can literally shut down and you're only working through your amygdala which governs fear and emotions, so you can react based on instinct and survival. You can rationalise all that while you're calm typing this out. You can't predict how you would respond when you're in that kind of situation. I hope you can get why this happens now.
Yes I do. Thank you so much for explaining this respectfully. I really appreciate it.
I don't know how I'd react during a situation like this. Unless you've been in one, you can't really know. You generally don't have time to think, basically just act and react by instinct. As my patience for all the asshole behavior of people has gradually decreased, so has my aversion to confrontations. I lean more towards my kneejerk reaction being aggressive. But I think I might have deescalation wired as an instinct that'd kick in and prevent me from doing something rash. Even if I did get an urge to punch this piece of shit in the face, some part of my brain would probably flash a sizzle reel of the potential risks and consequences. What you want is for the problem to disappear with as little impact as possible on you or anyone besides the perpetrator. I reckon this woman probably did better than many of us would.
I want to say I would've thrown the drink in the perp's face, said something like "The drink's on you." and then done a cool backflip while simultaneously putting on my sunglasses and transitioned into a moonwalk out of the door in one smooth move.
I want to say I would've thrown the drink in the perp's face, said something like "The drink's on you." and then done a cool backflip while simultaneously putting on my sunglasses and transitioned into a moonwalk out of the door in one smooth move.
I mean, if you have to engage with that nonsense, then I'd just go with the good old "PIPE DOWN and mind your own fucking business". The TikTok lady is too nice for this world :(
Unfortunately, every generation gets more conservative as it gets older.
Pretty sure this has only really happened with one generation in US history, but okay then.
When you leave, they win. That is what this racist old POS wants, she wants minorities out of "her" public space. She wants to go to a restaurant and not see any black, asian, middle eastern or gay people. To her, those people can be exist, but get your shit and get out. You have to look at these racists in their faces and say, no YOU get out.
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Speak for yourself.
Anyway. That poor woman. I can totally understand why she would freeze in this situation, but I can't understand why no one was helping her.