I wanna live in the fantasy world you seem to live, where you can just snap your fingers and things change in a day without consequences.
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Kamala Harris suffers new blow as aide resigns with scathing letter: 'I've never seen staff treated so poorly'
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Literally nobody has suggested that. It's the fight on say one that matters. Even Sanders has a transition plan.
You should read it.
Not even bernie is proposing that lol, again- you're in here misleading people
I know he's not. He proposes a transition plan. Which Warren does.
Which is why your bullshitting about how Warren's plan isn't progressive enough is actually misleading people!
Really because you complained about Warren having a transition period and complained when I said overhauling the entire insurance industry takes time and has effects on other industries.
Basically the only time I was interested in Kamala as a candidate was during the first debate when she basically tore Biden a new asshole--the ability to verbally eviscerate Trump like that on national television had a lot of appeal.
Unfortunately, every debate since then has just shown that she just doesn't have what it takes. She can't answer questions about her own record satisfactorily, and her attempts to have "moments" since then have just been bizarre--was it last month when she was trying to take a stand on getting Warren to say Twitter should ban Trump?
Unfortunately, every debate since then has just shown that she just doesn't have what it takes. She can't answer questions about her own record satisfactorily, and her attempts to have "moments" since then have just been bizarre--was it last month when she was trying to take a stand on getting Warren to say Twitter should ban Trump?
it probably didn't help that her well-rehearsed and well-executed takedown of Biden at the first debate was very quickly undermined by the revelation that she didn't actually support busing herself
severing M4A from the public option is meaningfully different from a single bill that includes a public option as part of a multi-year transition.
it's really sad when someone who claims to be to the left of Bernie internalizes defeatism to this degree. if you don't think M4A will ever be possible, you don't support M4A
When the moderators actually teed her up to go off on Pete's issues with black people and his tricksy schemes, and she completely whiffed it, it should have been clear to even the diehards that she wasn't going anywhere and even her "tearing people new assholes" skills weren't all they were cracked up to be.
I never said M4A will never be possible. It sure won't be possible in 2020 though!
You might have given an implication
likely not, but I dunno why I should trust Warren to push for it (or for that matter, even a public option as strong as the one she's currently proposed) when her response to criticism from her right is to preemptively sever M4A itself from the "transition" months before a single vote has been cast. not like things won't turn up to 11 if she actually tries to pass the public option
Yes. Bernie and Warren are candidates in the 2020 election, not the 2024 or 2028 election. Thanks for playing.
Or maybe she just thinks a transition from a public option is easier to accomplish? Idk, weird you, Legacy and skelepuzzle think she's actually some secret corporate Democrat when her entire tenure as a politician has proven her to be the exact opposite
You only see leaks like this when a campaign is truly over. Kamala ain't coming back from this, the story is a way to bury her for good.
Must've missed that articulation in the original post 🤔
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This is so disingenuous it hurts. The criticism is that she intends to have a huge fight to pass the public option right away, somehow win it, THEN have ANOTHER, EVEN HUGER fight three years later, and somehow also come ahead in that fight, all while passing all the other stuff she wants to pass.
It's pure wonk fan fiction, and it signals that she has basically settled on the Mayor Pete solution but still wants to rhetorically signal to the Left that she "wants" single-payer. I don't mind her and would happily vote for her over Trump, but come on, her whole M4A rollout has reeked of bullshit.
And this goes to the heart of the issue. The fight is not valuable in and of itself. The point of political organizing is to win elections and do as much good as you can with the power you have obtained.
If the fight has become the point, that means the actual outcomes are a secondary concern.
I forgot the dude was in the race. What's he been doing anyway
the argument is that, after the bruising political fight necessary to pass it, the public option will quickly become so successful and popular that it will not only keep Democrats from losing seats in 2022, but will have everyone clamoring for M4A proper come 2023, to the point where Democrats in Congress will presumably have no choice but to pass it, despite immense opposition from the GOP and the healthcare lobbies
there's no easy way of getting M4A passed anytime soon, clearly, but this is magical thinking
Yeah I guess you're right, when talking about Bernie or Warren passing M4A in a thread about the 2020 election I could have been referencing the 2024 election when we don't even know if either of them will run and the former will be 82 years old.
Or maybe it's signaling to people that she's going to try and get a public option when it's actually viable instead of sitting down doing nothing while twiddling her thumbs because it's impossible to have a Senate that will pass M4A in 2019-2022 (and even after then it's unlikely but as someone who relies on health insurance much more than the average American it's comforting to know she's gonna take realistic steps to improve the insurance industry from the start of her term).
you have a much lower opinion of Bernie and his ability to compromise if absolutely necessary than I do, clearly, but calling even the public option Warren has put on the table "realistic" is a stretch
Harvey Dent? ...oh, wait, nevermind.
(In all seriousness though... zero shock about any of this shit.)
the point of workers going on strike is to... reelect Democrats, not win higher wages and better health care
The point of the civil rights movement was to win the 1964 elections
The point of organizing is to obtain power to do the things you want to do. Winning elections is how you obtain power.
This is only a controversial statement if you're uninterested in obtaining power.
This sounds like something the bad guy in a shounen anime would say
Seth, even
All of those workers movements and strikes was simply to elect politicians. Yeah, that checks out.
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Now Bernie's stans are going after Warren? Fucking hell.
Sad. Just sad. Besides Trump I can't recall, in recent memory, a candidate's supporters that's attracted such a toxic group of human beings to it.
Sad. Just sad. Besides Trump I can't recall, in recent memory, a candidate's supporters that's attracted such a toxic group of human beings to it.
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Don't make unsubstantiated claims then if you're not willing to back them up.
Are we not supposed to go after politicians or something?
I'd say the lock in top 4 are Biden Sanders Pete and Warren in that order. Warren has been on thr downward slide while Pete has been surging almost 1:1. If Pete suddenly drops then she might have a shot.
I personally think Bernie takes Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary and Biden takes Soth Carolina. From there who knows...
Let's not perpetuate a largely untrue stereotype.
These days Sanders and Warren have the greatest crossover appeal as a second choice, and hell a greater proportion of Sanders voters list Warren than Warren voters do Sanders. Whatever interaction you think you've seen is an unrepresentative microcosm of the actual situation and composition.
The cop is a bad condidate?
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Can they deal with Biden though
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Can they deal with Biden though
It's the way these people go about it.
"Bernie is the only choice", "If you don't vote Bernie you're part of the problem"... very common refrains.