Lmfao, good riddance.
Horrid person, and no, calling her Copmala isn't bad, it's just accurate.
Horrid person, and no, calling her Copmala isn't bad, it's just accurate.
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Kamala Harris is dropping out of the 2020 presidential race
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Sanders comment is incredibly significant, particularly considering his influence with the left. The other candidates defending of Tulsi, like Beto's was terrible as well. However, I don't see Beto supporting her on campaign tours, or his wife supporting her with a political think tank, she's not a known ally of his, and he doesn't have a high profile political figure in his campaign defending her every time she's attacked - can't say the same for Bernie. This also goes for Biden and Warren. What's weird is how your dismissing Bernie as though he's still an obscure politician, if he were as powerless as you suggest why are you supporting him for president? He's the biggest socialist backed candidate in the country for your movement. Its immensely hypocritical for Bernie supporters and the left to ignore what Tulsi is doing when she's one of yours, and Bernie's projects. Why isn't she being drummed out of the moment as we speak?
One of the shopped photos was from a right wing source, that's what I was talking about.
Look up at the answer above for what I was responding to. Stop reframing my words to be in bad faith, and stop gaslighting me. That's a fair complaint.
Copmala is a leftwing talking point.
Rightwingers love tough-on-crime cops.
interesting. Then, I wish she would've framed it as such when the programmed received criticism instead of weirdly doubling down on the tough on crime rhetoric and dismissal of very valid concerns.
But I didn't dismiss him as an obscure politician.
I'm saying given that y'all have been more than willing to handwave far worse shit from centrists, like, I dunno, Harris's abysmal record if we're gonna stay relevant to the thread, it's hypocritical to overblow this defense of Gabbard. A defense that has been echoed by other candidates and many representatives.
"one of yours, and Bernie's projects" lol sure, Jan.
Because no one gives a fuck about Tulsi.
Tulsi "political career funded by RSS fascists" Gabbard fans gloating over... Kamala Harris dropping out.
Is this an example of "horseshoe theory"?
Not to defend Kamala, but the origins of Kamala is a cop doesnt matter. The objective of owning the libs overrides whatever love for cops the right wing has. This level of cognitive dissonance is not egregious in the slightest. They will bend their logic to suit their needs whenever they need to like usual. I don't really get the usefullness in parsing what is or isnt right wing branded lines of attack. The purpose they serve is what matters.
If Kamala's fans don't like the cop jokes, then she shouldn't have acted like a cop laughing it up with euphoric glee over locking up disproportionately poor and minority parents for their kid's truancy.
Concerning oneself over what right wing meme kids think is actually feeding them the reaction they want.
Concerning oneself over what right wing meme kids think is actually feeding them the reaction they want.
What point have you failed to make with this post, I wonder.
And what purpose does screaming "the right-wing/Russian-bots are using the same meme!" serve other than to shut down criticism?
We can weigh the usefulness of perpetuating such memes vs pointing out how apt they are but i feel the answer differs on whether the target is a candidate you like or not. Honestly, i feel its pretty moot at the point in the case of Kamala, shes not in the race anymore. Even if we determine who in the right. What would happen next?
Surprised to see she's out before fucking Klobuchar, Booker, Castro. But yeah her campaign fell apart.
I'm really looking forward to when there are only about 4-5 candidates left. Until then it remains a shit show.
I'm really looking forward to when there are only about 4-5 candidates left. Until then it remains a shit show.
Wouldn't waste your time, not sure Itchy has ever made a good faith argument.
I'm not the one making bad faith arguments.
Except that's not what I'm doing. How does signal boosting right wing talking points help your cause? You can criticise politicians like Kamala without dipping into their arguments. I'm not shutting anything down, I'm asking you to curate your arguments so you don't give the right wing legitimacy. It's disingenuous to paint this like it's about any criticism from the left.
Your framing Bernie as someone whose word isn't worth anything if you don't think his voice against her isn't worthwhile. Straw man, I never was a stern defender of Kamala's record. Candidates which I've crictised for doing so, which you've yet to do so for Bernie and you don't seem concerned how close Bernie or his campaign is to Tulsi. I get why you dislike Kamala, but why are you ignoring Tulsi?
Why don't you want Bernie to disavow Tulsi?
Bernie made her career when she defended him in '16, and his allies have been connected directly to her since, like his wife and Nina Turner.
Bernie's wife ran the Institute.
Plenty more videos where Nina's defending Tulsi, too.
Bernie never disavowed when she endorsed him, either.
She's not in the centrist, Liberal or conservative wings of the party, she's been in Bernie's wing since '16.
Why are you so adamant about ignoring a fairly high profile politician? I thought the left were supposed to be fighting against everything she stands for, not be apathetic about them.
Best run along when you have no argument to speak of, over Tulsi Gabbard of all people.
I have said nothing wrong. I wish you were more specific about what you thought I got incorrectly. think Yang has been very clear about conversations he's had w/ Biden - obviously I'm speculating since Yang has no path to actually winning the presidency. As far as I know, most economists don't think the alarmism Yang is doing w/ AI is warranted.
Sure.
Just like you weren't too concerned about boosting right wing talking points with the thousands of words you typed out attacking Ilhan Omar earlier this year.
Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
I do wonder how deep he got into the Jane Sanders robbed a university ordeal.
You haven't explained how the "Kamala is a cop" meme is a right wing talking point. I'm immensely curious as to how it is. You even postulated that the picture shared earlier was from conservatives but haven't provided evidence to that fact.
You must endeavor to be better than this
I would argue that allowing the right-wing to co-opt generic terms like "cop" or the OK-sign, is actually giving them more power and legitimacy.
Forget Tulsi - when is Bernie going to disavow Jeremiah Wright? His silence on this matter is deafening. After all, Jeremiah Wright BELONGS to the left.
no but it is hilarious
no but it is hilarious
Might as well go for the bizarro land trifecta and say calling out racists is a right wing meme too.
I don't get any of the talking points surrounding this. Kamala has been a long shot since the beginning with black people and the left. This has been pointed out since the start. I don't get the "she deserves to be in the race" shit. If her reasoning is true, then donate some money to her if you want her in the race?
click through for a bit more, but this tracks pretty well with her failing to gain traction outside the subset of Hillary 2016 supporters who fetishized representation above all else
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Calling Kamala a cop or making fun of her for other things, isn't in the slightest "right wing talking points".
Now people like Kamala have adopted these so called "right wing talking points" during debates just so they can spite Trump any chance they can get. For example, meeting with North Korea's leader in an attempt to make peace (whether Trump is sincere about that is another topic) and he promised to stop conducting military drills outside S.Korea. This is generally a Liberal appoach But Kamala and others that share the same ideology as her want America to be an aggressor and conduct "military drills" just outside S.Korea despite both countries saying America is being "provocative" when they do so.
Now this is just a tiny example but there's loads of other instances when centrist Democrats have no problem adopting neo-conservative arguments when they want to spite the right (when they right happens to stumble on Leftist arguments). I see this is the great issue
But you're more worried about voters on the left adopting "right wing" jokes?
I just want everyone in this thread to understand the subtext here: you shouldn't do this, because it works
Unless you think the right-wing suddenly dislikes aggressive prosecution of poor black families in which case I have a bridge or two to sell y'all
Not only that, it's true. It's true and it works. Both Ichthyosaurus and loquaciousJenny know this so they have to discredit it by saying it is right wing talking point or Russian propaganda thereby erasing the criticisms black people had with Kamala.
it's also noteworthy to point out that one of the fundamental points of modern conservatism is that they'll make literally any argument, regardless of whether or not it's "conservative". they'll run against obama by saying that "he's trying to cut your government-run healthcare". they'll run against clinton by saying she's "too pro-war". there's no ideological underpinning to their criticism, except that it's against people to the left of them. and so, by extension, you can classify any criticism of a democrat as "a right wing talking point".
that's the endgame here. any attack on a candidate that certain people like is a "right-wing talking point", so the only thing you can do is just not say anything.
(brief reminder: weird that the "right wing talking point" thing doesn't come out from these same individuals when it's, say, moderate democrats criticizing left-wing democrats for single-payer healthcare using explicitly conservative frameworks. or when they're talking about how we can't afford larger government because "the national debt". there are people who openly adopt conservative positions to criticize democrats. it's not the people being accused of it.)
Because when moderates attack progressives it's pragmatic and realistic. Like how Pelosi is currently holding up popular pro-labor bills in order to implement Trump's agenda.
Morbid curiosity is leading me to ask you for a link to that thread, if you don't mind :)