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Justin Trudeau Wore Brownface at 2001 ‘Arabian Nights’ Party While He Taught at a Private School [update: Trudeau apologized, 3rd older video found]
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No what caused the majority was the Liberals imploding. Spare me
Nothing says river rafting quite like blackface, I guess.
This is all so surreal.
Really depends on the riding Liberals have next to no chance in mine. It's decisively an NDP/Con race
I have to say, it's been fascinating watching Trudeau's reaction to this and imagining how it's the complete opposite of how Trump would've handled it
track record as representative and a Prime Minister matters
Trump's track record....... eeesssh
For sure lol
It just struck me as I was listening to the news this morning from Alexa... Trump saying basically "the whistleblower thing is fake news, the fake news media is the enemy, but seriously somebody needs to investigate Joe Biden" followed by Trudeau telling a reporter that "it's nice of you to call it makeup, but we have to be honest -- it was blackface, and it's completely unacceptable." or whatever. Trump is a low bar but it sure makes me wish we had Trudeau instead lol
Honestly, Trump is the kind of racist that wouldn't do blackface because he'd feel degraded by even looking like a black person for a second.
Blackface is the purview of Southern Good Ol' Boys like Ralph Northam, genuine hardcore racists like David Duke, and bourgie white liberals like Trudeau.
This better not have given the election to the cons, I hope I'm just getting carried away and this will only be a thing right wingers remind you of every chance they get. It is good to have standards but people gotta be voting AGAINST Harper 2.0 at all costs
Expected. Whatever he did in the past people look at what he's done since and you can see where Trudeau comes down on things. Those that support him will support him, those that hate him will hate him.
Honestly, besides a few 'woke white people'; not a lot of people in the office care that much.
Still doesn't excuse it; but at least it gives me hope it wont affect the election.
I have the feeling our NDP seats around here are flipping Green. Luckily the Cons will never win here in Victoria though
I'm sorry are you saying you have to be a woke white person to be offended by multiple instance of Black/brown face?
I'll say this again but just because you choose to still vote liberal like I am to stop the conservatives don't you dare try and diminish the racism in his conduct. This kind of rhetoric would be bannable around here in any other discussion.
Don't assume that people are voting Liberal just to stop the conservatives.
Was I trying to diminish the racism? Of course its racist. I know it, everyone knows it.
When I say 'woke' (and maybe that was the wrong terms to use); I mean white people freaking out and calling for his head over this no madder if it means the con's win or not.
Ya i think we can save the anecdotes of all the people you know that don't care about the racism.
The swing was due to some very extenuating circumstances. Jack Layton won Quebec in the previous election with his charisma, which siphoned seats from the liberals and PQ. The liberals also had a terrible campaign and lost seats in Ontario to the Tories. 4 years of a majority conservative government with an ineffectual opposition from Mulcair's NDP after Layton passed away led Quebec to swing liberal decisively (on top of the Trudeau mania). It was a decade of conservative rule, with a charismatic liberal leader, the NDP losing their charismatic leader and focusing on the wrong issues.
So people tired of the status quo with a new invigorated liberal party with a charismatic leader led to the swing. I don't see a massive swing in seats unless a similar setup into an election happens. Quebec fell in love with Jack Layton due to his tenacity in the face of his cancer and the other parties. And that wasn't able to even result in a win for the NDP. Singh hasn't made his presence felt nearly as much.
People who are using this scandal as a reason to hate Trudeau already hated Trudeau. He's already put his actions where his mouth is regarding his position on immigrant and race relations by appointing a diverse cabinet and supporting minority initiatives.
Did he perform stupid racist acts in the past? Absolutely. And he was called out on it and apologised. But he also performed actions that are much more meaningful to help minorities as well. Not to say he and the liberals can't do more, as they absolutely must improve first Nations support and relations on top of what they've already done in other areas like immigration and refugees. Recent actions within the past 4 years with concrete consequences and results weigh much more heavily than actions in the past dating nearly 20 years ago.
But using this scandal as an excuse to say that Trudeau and the liberals are trash and this is the last straw seems hyperbolic.
The opinion is reflected in the poles too. It's not just anecdotes anymore.
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In a country as racist as Canada I'm not at all surprised. You act like those polls are something to be proud of. At the very least I expected an immediate dip then a bounce back as people understand that the Liberals are still the best choice. No movement at all is very damning and illustrates very well the underlying racism in Canada imo.
As racist as Canada is, I'd be much more curious as to what the opinions of minorities is on the subject. Anecdotally, PoC in this thread have already said that yeah this is bad, but he's already proven he doesn't hold racist views towards minorities and actively supports them especially when it comes to endorsements and setting policy. (With the exception on first Nations rights. He absolutely must improve on that front)
It does show we believe people can change their views/how they act over time and aren't static creatures that can't change. You know, like his governing with all but aboriginals has shown he has
You are free to say how little it bothers you but the fact is that black/brown face is S-tier racism. It's objectively offensive to many people so anecdotes from randoms online don't mean much. When the election is over he needs to retire. It would be extremely problematic to have a man with such racist baggage remain because you never know when there will be more revealed. Hell he doesn't even know how many times he did it.
The policies are that of the party I know that because he was doing Brown face at 29 years old so he obviously isn't bright enough to come up with the policies himself.
That is a conclusion I could accept people coming to over time but to not have enough of a visceral knee jerk reaction to such offensive images to cause even a slight immediate dip is pretty sad.
Not really especially compared to his competition who are way more racist. If he does win I think he should step down but until than I can't say I am upset it hasn't affected his numbers.
This is the most important thing. He can't remain after the election. Vote liberal because obviously the conservatives are trash but we need to not defend his actions or hand waive them away or we are playing a dangerous game that will find our future liberal leaders neutered in their rhetoric vs the hateful bigotry of the right. This isn't about a flawless past or purity tests it's about friggin' black face. This is more than just one election it's about integrity and the long term health of Canadian politics.
I believe that it is much more offensive towards people who grew up in the civil rights movements of the 20th century or who are educated on the matter, but not so much towards recent immigrants. But I can't really say that convincingly without having statistics back it up, which is why I am curious as to what a pole on minorities' opinions are on this. A lot of PoC now are recent immigrants who came from non western countries. Visible minorities make up nearly a quarter of all Canadians now compared to 1/20th of all Canadians in the 1980s according to statscan. I would say that it's much harder to see the direct impact of blackface and minstrelsy as a racist act now than in the 20th century, where it was actively used in caricature and mockery. Once again as a disclaimer, this does not mean blackface/brownface and minstrelsy is not racist.
Jesus, this thread. The fact that you even typed all of this nonsense blows my mind. Are you a Liberal voter? It's top tier racism end of story. Feel free to make a thread with your "angle" and see how that goes.
It was Quebec's Islamophobia that cost NDP the election. Remember the whole niqab issue? LPC's leadership (i.e. Trudeau) didn't vocalize a firm opinion but Mulcair didn't mince his words and spoke out against the ban on the niqab (which had been overturned by the courts but the Cons were seeking to fight to reinstate it), which rubbed Quebeckers the wrong way. Mulcair did this despite many NDP MPs saying that they also opposed the niqab and used racist and xenophobic language, including Romeo Saganash.
I truly admire Mulcair for that.
Ooooooh ok it was river rafting blackface. All is ok then. I had no idea it was river rafting blackface. That changes everything.
No I vote NDP, I'm just saying this is my impression from what I've read from people commenting on the story. Blackface is racist, but people who have not been at the receiving end of actual racism in a western state all their life may not feel the racism as strongly. Racism is still a daily occurrence that effects all minorities and PoC, some more than others. But similar scandals have occurred in the past, with many Japanese natives who simply didn't care about Scarlet Johanson in Ghost in the Shell for example.
People who feel outraged have every right to be outraged. It's just that the struggles that someone of colour had to live through if they lived their entire life in an even more racially charged time than those who have not will not feel racism in the same way. Recent immigrants feel racism more in systemic racism as opposed to seeing their people be actively mocked on a daily basis in popular media and in the streets.
What is your cultural background? If you don't mind me asking.
I agree that Quebec definitely treats identity politics is extremely backwards, but the NDP also didn't make any strides elsewhere in Canada, which keeps with my point that the initial swing to NDP and back to Liberal was very much on the back of the charisma of the leader.
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Im Indian, I dont think the brown face was racist. His apology seemed genuine. This was 20 years ago, people do stupid things in their life and do change. I'm the not same person I was 20 years ago. This is a non issue.
He's right and I say this as someone with a South Asian background. Even the Sikh man that was photographed with brownfaced Trudeau doesn't consider him racist nor does he consider what Trudeau did racist.
I do consider it racist because I am aware of the cultural connotation and historical context of it, having lived and grown up in Canada, whereas many first generation immigrants probably won't realize that what Trudeau did was racist.
Make a thread about this. I'm not having a discussion here about whether black face is offensive or not. It's imbecilic.
He's not right. I know poc who thought it was gross namely my wife and members of her family but again these are personal anecdotes and have no place because everyone has different life experiences. Blackface is offensive there is no debate.
Most POC at my office didn't seem to mind that much about this whole thing.
"He likes theater, he dressed up as a character. That's about it. If he would have exaggerated the lips and act in an offensive manner, I would be offended but I can dress as Santa, why can't he be a black person if he wishes it"
This was my brother's (Adopted from Haiti) point of view.
I'm white so, I've never really been a victim of racism (Except very minor things) so I wanted to know what others felt about it before making up my mind. I guess I shouldn't make a big deal out of it now
"He likes theater, he dressed up as a character. That's about it. If he would have exaggerated the lips and act in an offensive manner, I would be offended but I can dress as Santa, why can't he be a black person if he wishes it"
This was my brother's (Adopted from Haiti) point of view.
I'm white so, I've never really been a victim of racism (Except very minor things) so I wanted to know what others felt about it before making up my mind. I guess I shouldn't make a big deal out of it now
Yes, there most definitely is. It is racist, yes, but it being offensive is entirely subjective and depends entirely on whether one understands it to be racist or not.
Are you saying that the Sikh man who defended Trudeau was lying about his feelings? Are these people lying about what they're feeling?
I agree with the NDP on this entirely and I hope the LPC will replace Trudeau the first chance they get, but to say that every or even the vast majority of PoC takes offense to what Trudeau did is patently false.
Lmao was Trudeau rafting the Mississippi River?
Then why doesn't Trudeau do his next press conference in Black face then if it's just dress up? Halloween is just around the corner, Justin should dress in Blackface as Obama for any interviews that day if it's so non offensive lol.