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Justice Department releases redacted Mueller report (See Threadmarks for Summaries)
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The fact that it is an acceptable excuse for an elected official is fucking clown shoes. If you cant remember actions you personally took two years ago, how can you claim to be fit for a public office?
we now know that there are atleast 14? other investigations going on related to matters that arose from the SCO investigation.
my guess is yes, those are the ones diving deep into financial crimes.
They found plenty to charge with but didn't BECAUSE he's the president and they followed department guidelines. In their eyes they could not indict.
His finances were outside the scope of this investigation and are being investigated by someone else.
Hmm... what happened in mid-2014 that had its fair share of Too Online uproar and social discord? Hmm...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown
They found plenty to charge both him and others with. But since Trump is the president Mueller left the job of charging him with obstruction of justice to Congress.
Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic party have to act now. The criminal wrongdoing of Trump and his associates cannot go unaddressed. They have to be held accountable for the future of this country.
About 61 pages in so far. Some interesting shit. Loved the way after Trump told Russia to hack Hillary, literally 5 hours later intelligence noted the first ever hack into her personal office.
The Seth Rich murder was touched on here too. So Assange and the GRU we're attempting to blame the DNC leaks on him. I wonder how much evidence exists on the potentiality of the GRU assassinating Rich to pin this on him?
The Seth Rich murder was touched on here too. So Assange and the GRU we're attempting to blame the DNC leaks on him. I wonder how much evidence exists on the potentiality of the GRU assassinating Rich to pin this on him?
I think when you consider what has been permitted so far, its not difficult to imagine some scenario where a national emergency is declared and the election "postponed" with a vague date of "until we can understand what is going on" being set.
I appreciate the "we need you here" comment because its true. We all need to stay grounded and fight in ways that matter and ways that don't drain us of our stamina before we are needed most. However, I think its not out of the realm of possibility for the GOP to basically back any play the President wants to make, including some crazy "temporary" martial law/safety now/elections later scenario. It feels like he gets away with murder already, so you start to believe the line he can't cross no longer exists.
OMG, the "He was too stupid to be indicted" for Trump Jr. That would work if your talking about a 5 year old or even a 12 year old...but a grown-ass man. Let a black/hispanic/asian do the same thing and watch as we get prosecuted for 20+ years...this white protection is ridiculous.
But they could have been entangled, no? I don't understand they haven't sought on that angle.
These guys are pros. if the could they would. It's up to the other investigations.
His body language is so transparent. Arms crossed and the whole bit. He's basically signaling "screw you and your questions"
It's insane what hyper-partisanship and Murdoch propaganda wrought on parts of the Anglosphere. After this - and whatever happens with the UK and Brexit - is over, both countries should take a hard look in the mirror and do a hard reset. Rework the US constitution, pass laws that regulate things left to "norms", ban the excess of money in politics (your Senate races individually can have more money spent than the German federal elections and I'm not just talking Cali and Teas here,) ban infomercials masquerading as legit news, unify voting laws, guarantee voting rights, rework he SC, maybe do proportional representation and probably lots more that an outsider can't come up with in a coupe of minutes.
Don't fret to much about it, just do it. At least you didn't start a world war like Germany or overrun Europe a la Napolean before needing a new system, no shame in a litle do-over.
With the Kraft yanky wanky as the "short" before the feature presentation.
Criminal conduct out of scope got referred to the appropriate jurisdictions. Why everyone keeps talking about SDNY still working on stuff.
Trump can't suspend the election. He can't even fire his own lawyers.
I can't believe we harassed one of the best president of all time, we should've believed him when he said he was telling the truth.
Trump went around asking everyone to obstruct justice for him. Even people IN the justice and intelligence community.
He WANTED to do it, but nobody was willing to do it for him because everyone except him knew.
The only thing he could do himself was fire James Comey, and he had Sessions and Rosenstein recommend he be fired to try and cover his ass on that too.
He WANTED to do it, but nobody was willing to do it for him because everyone except him knew.
The only thing he could do himself was fire James Comey, and he had Sessions and Rosenstein recommend he be fired to try and cover his ass on that too.
Ok, I didn't know their scope was so narrow. What a clusterf*ck.
The laws in place just dont make sense.
You can go on stage and plead that someone hack someone else for your benefit... but as long as you werent in the room doing the hacking and disseminating of the information, youre totally risk free of charges.
lolwut?
Do they not understand what kind of loop hole this opens up? Do they not see how this is going to be used as political warfare for centuries to come? We now have a clear way to commit an illegal act and get away with it to win the presidency.
I think it is very much both of these things, tackling social discord from different angles. One on race, and one on the LGBT/sex/"ethics in journalism" stuff in gaming.
Normally no, but we're talking about Barr, so it could be possible. This is a good question.
If this is the current ERA mindset, I fear for your future. Get some perspective, please
This political fight will all still be going on while Trump is trying to get reelected in addition to the other criminal investigations Mueller handed off. The reporting of the media and insistence of Democrats on investigating all of this has been justified beyond any doubt by people still living in this reality (AKA those outside of his 30%). Trump will have to try to win some of those people over to stay in office by touting his incredibly unpopular tax cuts, his incredibly unpopular attacks on the ACA, his judicial appointments, and his made up achievements with immigration/North Korea/etc.
Oh, and all of this is also ammo against Republican legislators for the elections.
So they had somewhere between 1% - 99% evidence, but without 100% they couldnt convict.
Its insane to me that this is how our legal system works for those in power. Last time I checked, we put people in prison on suspicion without 100% evidence every hour of every single day.
It makes me sick to my stomach.
"But Rogers did not perceive the Presidents request to be an order"
That's because Trump doesn't give orders. He speaks like a mob boss and those around him know exactly what he wants when he says things this way.
It's clear as day that Trump broke the law, colluded with Russians and attempted to obstruct the investigation but hard evidence has been difficult to find due to the use of encrypted communication and Trumps mob-speak.
Supposedly, no. But we have nothing but Barr and the WH counsel's word to go by...
I don't think that's what they're saying... however... the report DOES make note of some BLM Facebook groups that were controlled by the Russian IRA.
The goal, as I understand it, was to latch onto certain issues and push for confrontation, discord, etc. And, seemlingly, they did that quite well.
True, but I was referring more to Mueller not even being able to interview Trump.
Come on! This gets worse and worse...
This is not spinning, it's lying.
I think the play (smart or not) is to drag this thing out to 2020 with public hearings, subpoenas, and a constant barrage of news headlines that will occur from this report.
Impeachment is def on the table, but I wouldnt hold my breath.
Hopefully the SDNY won't agree and prosecute him even if it's 99%.
Now someone just needs to overlay it as a transparent layer of sorts on the US flag and score some internet points.
Do it ERA, 5% royalties tho pls.
Sorry if posted already. Statement from Trump's 2020 Campaign Manager.
"fully and completely exonerated"
"it's time to investigate the liars who instigated this sham investigation... based on no evidence whatsoever"
"fully and completely exonerated"
"it's time to investigate the liars who instigated this sham investigation... based on no evidence whatsoever"
They'll subpoena the full report and hold hearings first.