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Just beat Persona 5 Royale, there is no way in hell Atlus can get away for charging $60 for shit like this again.
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Yeah I'm sure they could, but at that point you'd be potentially losing entire sets of equipment and multiple skills off your Personas that you spent hours on with no way to go back.
P3P required a new game because it was on a different platform releasing in 2006 , not because they concluded that they had to build an entire different game to allow for switching of plot elements, crikey. There was nothing in that game that couldn't have very easily be done on a modern platform as DLC, as is the case with royal.
Even if you believe they got rid of those equipment for rebalancing, and it's super important to keep those changes ( I disagree to be clear, NG+ is already entirely broken in terms of balance), that's still an entirely trivial issue to get around. A single menu on the creation of the NG+ file saying "the following items cannot be used on a Royal file and will not be included in your inventory: list of items" or vice versa for the other way around, and same with any persona containing skills that they can only obtain from removed skill cards or no longer have access to in general, with a warning that those specific skills don't carry over.
The Final Mixes basically add some new bosses and some balance changes, they don't alter story beats throughout the whole game. It's really frustrating having people who haven't even played the game make comparisons to other games.
Exactly. How people are defending this practice in 2020 is beyond me.
P5 Royale was an easy skip for me as it didn't look like the extra content was worth playing an already padded game for again. The base game was enough P5 for me, good game but one time was enough.
60 bucks for a slight update was never going to happen. The game isn't good enough to warrant that. It's no P4 that's for sure.
60 bucks for a slight update was never going to happen. The game isn't good enough to warrant that. It's no P4 that's for sure.
Not really. They would just replace them with equivalents based on the changes or a preset default for skills or equipment that were removed.
Review scores are the highest they've ever been. Hype among fans is through the roof. I have to assume sales are gonna be satisfying.
They'll get away with it until most of the press and the fans are okay with it. They'll only change if the outrage gets big (see Battlefront 2) or the sales no longer justify such a model. But on this very forum you have a lot of people gladly defending these practices, implying that it's the low prices, sales and subscription services that devalue games - therefore, even years old games with minimal upgrades like this or Mario Kart 8 Deluxe deserve to be sold at a very high price.
They'll get away with it until most of the press and the fans are okay with it. They'll only change if the outrage gets big (see Battlefront 2) or the sales no longer justify such a model. But on this very forum you have a lot of people gladly defending these practices, implying that it's the low prices, sales and subscription services that devalue games - therefore, even years old games with minimal upgrades like this or Mario Kart 8 Deluxe deserve to be sold at a very high price.
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That's pretty fucking terrible.
Glad I never bought this version over the original. It should have been a fraction of the cost as dlc.
While I personally think their business is an absolute joke in this day and age (where many other company overhaul their games for free or as lower priced DLC), I think this thread shows you exactly why they get away with. Atlus has clearly found a big enough audience of people who will not only buy the same game several times, but even be grateful for it and defend them. Plus, they get a free pass to do so from press who would be up in arms if any Western developer tried to pull the same stunt. What more could a company ask for?
I have like 90% of the trophies in the original P5 but go off I guess. Apparently your opinion on Persona only matters if you think Atlus are literal gods who can do no wrong.
People have been saying this since it was announced, but the fans were always assuring us there was enough content to warrant a full release. Guess not. Honestly sounds like a Pokemon SuMo > USuMo kinda deal - almost no differences until the last few hours of the game, and a handful of hours postgame.
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I agree, nothing much more I can say at this point, Im certainly not touching any "enhanced" shit from them in the future tho
I loved P4 and P5 and saw this coming. I'm not sure how anyone can think that this is acceptable. It's a bad offer and Atlus should have come up with something for existing owners. Since Atlus isn't capable to come up with a decent offer, I just can wait until it's sub 20$.
They got away with it because their fans are used to Atlus' fuckery. See the Persona dancing games and their truckload of insanely expensive DLC.
Any other company would have been trashed if they did that. Xenoblade 2 had a 30€ expansion that adds a good 40hours of content at least alongside all the QOL stuff you'd want. Pokémon has moved away from full price rerelases and now puts out meaty story DLC. KH3 did the same with its recent expansion.
Atlus is literally the only one left doing this, and since the reviewers aren't paying for these products they don't take into account the release condition.
Any other company would have been trashed if they did that. Xenoblade 2 had a 30€ expansion that adds a good 40hours of content at least alongside all the QOL stuff you'd want. Pokémon has moved away from full price rerelases and now puts out meaty story DLC. KH3 did the same with its recent expansion.
Atlus is literally the only one left doing this, and since the reviewers aren't paying for these products they don't take into account the release condition.
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I agree with this.
Atlus fans are sheep like. Always willing to buy whatever they make no matter what.
I paid $60 for Switch versions of basically every game I bought on WiiU. Paid $60 for a fucking Cranky Kong.
I'm not opposed to paying $60 for the extra content and improvements in P5R. I am however not going to spend another 140+ hours to experience it.
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I haven't bought any of the switch Wii u late ports, they are out of their mind.
P3D and P5D both got trashed and had poor sales to boot, though.
Even here opinions are split.
Atlus, the Japanese branch at least, received a lot of criticism for non-gameplay or price related issues too that dominated majority of discussions. Eg the depiction of various characters etc
Were one to take those discussions seriously one would expect game sales to have been boycotted and flopped.
It seems even Atlus is split on this with the American branch criticizing the Japanese branch but ultimately it is the latter that is in control.
While shitty on its own, that one has at least the excuse of being on a new device, thus being for a new audience.
P5R is one the same console as the original, so it doesn't even have that excuse.
This forum does seem to dislike P5 a lot
I wouldn't call KH dlc meaty. The pokemon dlc also has to prove itself. The map they showed did not look that impressive to be honest
They'll get away with it because there are plenty who don't have much of problem with it and value is subjective. If you don't want to spend full price on it maybe...don't?
Maybe you should go and steal the Atlus CEO's heart. But I get your point, a DLC for people who own vanilla P5 would have been a great solution.
Torna was an addition, it didn't change the base game at all. It's much more tricky to massively change the base game and have to support the same game with and without DLC vs just an addon.
XC2's expansion pass was a lot more than just Torna.
And regardless, you've got games like Divinity Original Sin getting free definitive edition that reworks the base game, or like what The Witcher 2 did.
And yet Torna was what was being discussed. The rest of the DLC was a couple extra Blades, some free items, and a few QoL changes. No major story changes or rebalancing. And the arena fights which were fun.
I don't get it. If you think it's not worth the price then wait. That's what I'm doing.
It's not like they force anyone to buy their games. They don't owe us anything and neither do we. It's a business.
I'd love for every game to be at 20 bucks so I could finally afford it at full price but that's not gonna happen, is it?
It's not like they force anyone to buy their games. They don't owe us anything and neither do we. It's a business.
I'd love for every game to be at 20 bucks so I could finally afford it at full price but that's not gonna happen, is it?
If die hard fans keep buying them and reviewers keep giving them great review scores then yes, they very much can get away with it. This is the same company that split persona 3 and 5 dancing into two separate games when both combined had less content then some indie rhythm games.
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Both Divinity Original Sin games got major reworkings for free. Ghost Recon Breakpoint just completely reworked most of the core gameplay systems as a free update last month. Fallout 76 is doing so today with Wastelanders. There are many, many other examples of games being reworked from the ground via free updates.