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The post described someone being the only one voting not guilty, which means a hung jury because 11-1 doesn't convict, thus mistrial
If that happened here you'd be clamoring for the next trial (rightfully so)
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Jury reaches a verdict in Kyle Rittenhouse murder case - Not guilty on all counts
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The post described someone being the only one voting not guilty, which means a hung jury because 11-1 doesn't convict, thus mistrial
If that happened here you'd be clamoring for the next trial (rightfully so)
Ugh, this makes a lot of sense actually. The root is self defense having way too broad a definition in this country. Thanks for the response.
Well, the first sentence is fair. But I'm getting the sense that this is the law "fairly" applied. It's a given that someone in a marginalized class doesn't get the law fairly applied to them.
If black people could go to a right wing rally, shoot it up and walk free, we would have changed the law to make sure that they couldn't. Just like Ronald Reagan and the NRA supported gun control the moment black people started to arm themselves.
And likewise, if Rittenhouse had been convicted, you can bet everything Republicans would have come up with Stand You Ground 2.0 legal doctrine to make sure the next one walk free.
This is not an oopsie, the system is designed to let white right winger get away with murder and to punish and suppress minorities and really anything that might be any challenge to the status quo.
I don't think we are. I was adding to what you said. I guess I'm fucking angry about this whole situation and it shows in the tone of my text. Wasn't direct at you.
America is so fucked, it really isn't funny at all. The divide has never been starker, or more dangerous. It's a post Trump world now (or maybe not "post" at all, if the GOP go with him again).
How come he wasn't guilty of bringing his gun across state borders?
They ran towards him and threw their skateboards at him.
Because he didn't. The gun was provided by his friend who is facing federal charges.
This is so frustrating. The worst part is that it's not that this was the wrong outcome legally. If this happens again tomorrow the ruling would be the same.
Our laws and our culture leave this as the correct choice. I'm not sure where to go from here.
Our laws and our culture leave this as the correct choice. I'm not sure where to go from here.
In America, this is the system working as intended.
It should go without saying, but it's a fucking disgusting system as the verdict of this case reaffirmed.
is not a law enforcement officer or national guardsmen.
shows up to do a job he isn't needed for, trained for, or requested by government militia for.
ends up killing people after willfully walking into a crowd, despite having no reason to be there, and no reason to be armed.
Get's to walk away from it all with a pat on the back....?
welp. Can't wait to see how this empowers other civilians with bad agendas to also """""""counter-protest""""""" and claim """""""self-defense"""""" when they pop-off after getting scared.
shows up to do a job he isn't needed for, trained for, or requested by government militia for.
ends up killing people after willfully walking into a crowd, despite having no reason to be there, and no reason to be armed.
Get's to walk away from it all with a pat on the back....?
welp. Can't wait to see how this empowers other civilians with bad agendas to also """""""counter-protest""""""" and claim """""""self-defense"""""" when they pop-off after getting scared.
He absolutely knew what he was doing.
He went with the intention to kill, but made sure to wait until he could fire a lethal shot in "self defence" to get away with it. I think that's pretty clear cut.
Just shows the self defence laws in the US need to be reevaluated. Though that's be being naive because this is working as intended.
He went with the intention to kill, but made sure to wait until he could fire a lethal shot in "self defence" to get away with it. I think that's pretty clear cut.
Just shows the self defence laws in the US need to be reevaluated. Though that's be being naive because this is working as intended.
Found the video
"bro I wish I had my fucking AR I would start shooting rounds at them"
*shoots rounds into three people two weeks later
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Shakespeare was right in that the law is indeed an ass.
I've been on juries where we had to find monsters not guilty due to our ridiculous rules on collaboration but until the day the legal system works to protect victims and see that perpetrators of crime are justly punished and / or rehabilitated for their actions, we have to keep fighting. Every single one of us.
I've been on juries where we had to find monsters not guilty due to our ridiculous rules on collaboration but until the day the legal system works to protect victims and see that perpetrators of crime are justly punished and / or rehabilitated for their actions, we have to keep fighting. Every single one of us.
Yet more depressing proof that cements my decision to get out of the US a year and half ago was the correct one.
This is also case why I find it incredibly naive to put faith in a justice system let alone the American one.
This is also case why I find it incredibly naive to put faith in a justice system let alone the American one.
The US is in a very worrying place right now where nobody has faith in the legal system and various groups have irreconcilable reasons for that lack of faith. How can you even hope to hold it together under those conditions?
As my partner's lawyer kept telling them when someone was trying to bleed them dry in court out of spite "it's not a justice system, it's a legal system".
Curious. Did you think i was defending Rittenhouse ? As I'm pretty sure my stance on this whole thing was pretty clear. To make sure.... it's USA's gun laws that allowed this to happen and allowed for the possibility for him to be found not guilty. If a bunch of ignorant assholes, who gave themselves authority to possibly cause harm or death to other civilians, put on vests and were walking around up here like that, they would be dealt with immediately and ordered to go home under the threat of arrest. Up here no one would be allowed to show up at protest with assault rifles, hence, Kyle would have been stopped the moment he was spotted, before he even had the chance to hurt someone, instead your police offered him water . The kids a straight up delusional asshole and SHOULD have been charged with murder. But under American law this is all ok . There were 2 shootings at schools in Colorado this week btw.
So to Sum up .... if the law didn't allow for American gun culture, Kyle wouldn't have brought one, there for the first goofball wouldn't have been shot and killed, in turn there wouldn't have been people chasing after him to remove his weapon, detain him or beat the shit out of him and everyone would still be fucking alive. Pretty simple
Prosecution lost this immediately as soon as one person said he didn't get shot till he showed and pointed his gun. At that point prosecution had to prove it wasn't self defense. It sucks, but they were not prepared and the video footage of everyone rushing him with skateboards didn't help them either.
Actually I do believe from watching some that the gun was purchased by Kyle's friend who was of legal age and it was kept either at his friends house or his father place, both who I do believe live In Wisconsin. The gun was bought for Kyle and he paid for it and was to get ownership when he
turned 18. So
it never actually crossed state line. AMERICA..... FIX YOUR SHIT !!!!!
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Whenever you see somebody carrying an AR-15 with countless of school shooting, We always see where it leads. You don't bring a weapons unless you intent to use it and it resulted in 2 dead and 1 injured by the shooter.
This is a oversight people miss in this thread meanwhile mass shooters are given a free pass by getting an AR-15 with no law restricting them
One of the outcomes here is that you can purposefully place yourself in harm's way and still claim and win a self defense argument.
He was at a business posing as an anti-riot/looting deterrent with an AR15, backed by the police (who were arresting others violating curfew) and the owners of the business.
So no matter what position you place yourself into, you always have the right to kill another if you are fearful of your own life being taken, regardless of circumstance.
It is gun culture, vigilante justice, systemic racism, and a failure by the police who are complicit in these killings. The cops saw Kyle as an ally. He acted as an extension of the police show of force without the restrictions of being accountable to or acting within the expected behavior of the police force.
The AR15 open carry is an overt display of force. If I saw someone open carrying an AR15 I would get the fuck outta dodge. It is hyper aggressive behavior.
I expect it to become more popular than it ever has been.
He was at a business posing as an anti-riot/looting deterrent with an AR15, backed by the police (who were arresting others violating curfew) and the owners of the business.
So no matter what position you place yourself into, you always have the right to kill another if you are fearful of your own life being taken, regardless of circumstance.
It is gun culture, vigilante justice, systemic racism, and a failure by the police who are complicit in these killings. The cops saw Kyle as an ally. He acted as an extension of the police show of force without the restrictions of being accountable to or acting within the expected behavior of the police force.
The AR15 open carry is an overt display of force. If I saw someone open carrying an AR15 I would get the fuck outta dodge. It is hyper aggressive behavior.
I expect it to become more popular than it ever has been.
In any other country in the world with normal gun laws. The person who brings the gun when they are illegal under those circumstances ( not hunting, shooting range ), kills 2 and Injures 1
, the person who brought the illegal weapon and did the shooting is going away for murder 100 percent of the time, self defense of not, especially seeing as the gun was the whole cause of the altercation to begin with
So many Kyle Rittenhouses sitting in their houses tonight playing call of duty, screaming racist terms across Xbox live are motivated to do the same now. Not only is Kyle free, but he is being praised and offered a job by sitting congressmen. He will be on TV.
this is motivation to those kids and adults watching this. Protests are now war zones, especially in states like Wisconsin. I would never step foot in a protest there.
this is motivation to those kids and adults watching this. Protests are now war zones, especially in states like Wisconsin. I would never step foot in a protest there.
yeah it the vigilante justice right wing dream come true.
Kyle was allowed to open carry an AR15, although the weapon itself was purchased illegally. These laws are all fucking whack but working exactly as intended. People sleep on gun rights but this is what comes out of seemingly innocuous stuff. The deal about the barrel length was framed a specific way so that you could take your kids hunting. But again, there is nothing saying your teen can't open carry that shit through the streets of downtown Kenosha during a riot.
I fucking hate open carry I don't think it should be legal but I also don't make the fucking rules.
But again Kyle was perceived as an ally of the police. They encourage behavior like this. And it is not isolated to Kenosha, this is happening everywhere. Police and ex military make up large parts of civilian militia.
The law needs to be modified to limit such use only to hunting, which appears to be what the exception was designed for, and the age limit increased to align with the other statute.
Oh I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying prosecution thought this was a lock and didn't bother pulling a good case together. Asking about call of duty? Seriously?
It also has an air of 'child being supervised by an adult in the appropriate context' air about it, rather than 'mate gives you a gun because the owner of a car dealership asks you to guard their shit - and that's if you trust Rittenhouse's testimony through to its word
They found a technicality to weasel him out, rather than his knowing action
Agreed. Although any 18 year old would be considered an adult. His friend is very generous for catching those federal charges for the "straw" purchase.
An easy thing to Implement legally, shouldn't take more than a couple days I would think....... unfortunately... way too many gun nuts around especially in places of Power. I hope this gets done Nation wide, but I do not thi k this will happen there
Changing the law is not hard conceptually but getting the state house to do so is another story. Especially depending on the local politics which I am unfamiliar with.
This verdict has no legal impact outside of Wisconsin outside of emboldening other crazies.
Even if true that is immaterial because Rittenhouse could not have known that fact at the time.
Even if it gets "fixed", it won't change anything. White supremacy is baked into the system.