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Baji Boxer

Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,380
The only people who consider it journalism are racist loser MAGA fans.

He purposely picked sides in the 2016 election. He REFUSED to leak anything negative related to Trump and purposely leaked only anti-Hillary material to help Donald Trump.

That isn't journalism, that is being a willing part of a campaign to help elect one candidate over another.
Yeah. Refused to publish leaked Russian documents and emails, coordinated with Roger Stone, lied about where the emails came from, selectively released emails to maximize damage, and these Russian hackers have been shown to seed "leaks" with selected edits and omissions. In a non-U.S. related incident, they basically doxed Turkish women.

Oh, and Assange personally helped fuel the Seth Rich conspiracy, which was eventually shown to be a GRU opperation.
 

Irminsul

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,039
When you said you would be happy with letting Assange go to protect whistle blower, that is where you morals came into question. You willing to let a person who has done harm to other people go for an idea. Assange is not a whistleblower anymore- he has not been for along time.
Yes, if these are the only charges they can bring forth, I'd rather not have him charged with that. That's why I hope Sweden will try to get him extradited as well.
That the leaks were true doesn't mean they weren't stolen. IF these charges he's facing are true, he's guilty of illegally aquiring the information in the first place.
That's true for every whistleblower or most kinds of leaks, though.
 

collige

Member
Oct 31, 2017
12,772
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Stay awhile and listen...
 

Deleted member 48205

User requested account closure
Banned
Sep 30, 2018
1,038
Don't take it personal, I didn't even see your post. If you want to get technical, Russian trolls usually have good English. Too good, actually, as 99% of it is copy-pasta based on things real Conservatives in America are saying. But, I like to do the Rocky and Bullwinkle spy stereotype for lols when you see folks JAQing.
Okay, sorry for calling you an asshole, no hard feelings
 

plagiarize

It's not a loop. It's a spiral.
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
27,559
Cape Cod, MA
I wonder what you think about the Pentagon Papers.
Publishing illegally acquired information? Legal.
Stealing confidential secrets? Illegal.

Who gives a fuck if information damaging to the state is acquired illegally? Are you the state? Why should you care?
Because he took the credibility that gave him, and used it to try to fuck multiple countries all the while helping keep Russia's dirtiest secrets.

If you're going to play 'technically the bad stuff he did wasn't illegal' I'm going to point out that he's charged with actual crimes.
 

AegonSnake

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,566
Go for this throat. Throw everything single thing they can at him.
This. Try him for the rape.
Then fly him over to the states.
Separate sentences for publishing snowden docs, publishing hillary's campaign emails, and working with Roger Stone to influence the election.

Then ship him to Gitmo.

Make sure he is in prison for the rest of his life.
 

Black_Stride

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
7,389
Ohh my:
Press Association:
Officers tried to introduce themselves to him in order to execute the arrest warrant before he barged past them, attempting to return to his private room. He was eventually arrested at 10.15am. He resisted that arrest, claiming 'this is unlawful' and he had to be restrained.

Officers were struggling to handcuff him. They received assistance from other officers outside and he was handcuffed saying, 'this is unlawful, I'm not leaving'. He was in fact lifted into the police van outside the embassy and taken to West End Central police station.

So he was shouting this is unlawful, Im not leaving?
Was he expecting them to so okay youre right we will leave you alone?
 

HighResTomato

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
242
In the meanwhile the world has forgotten all about US armed forces and their war crimes. The US DoJ has got some nerve to talk about justice.

Assange should stand trial in Europe and not a country where torture and death sentences are normal.
 

plagiarize

It's not a loop. It's a spiral.
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
27,559
Cape Cod, MA
Orange man bad, so let's erode journalism and the standards set by the Pentagon Papers. Remember, people hated Ellsberg too.
Journalists don't illegally steal secrets. That isn't part of journalism.

They will, in the public interest, publish illegally stolen secrets, and that is and should be completely legal. THAT is the standard set by the Pentagon Papers.

If you think Assange is acting in the public interest, then you are just flat out wrong.

Comparing him to Ellsberg is an insult.
 

Baji Boxer

Chicken Chaser
Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,380
He can be whatever, if the story is real doesn't invalidate the act.


No, you can perfectly understand a massacre by the us army or a hacking to foreing countries.
What you probably trying to say is that russia, china or other is doing the same, agreed.
But that doesn't remove the guilty.
Metadata in documents from Wikileaks were edited to fuel the Seth Rich conspiracy. Also, helping get Trump elected has lead to more drone strikes, with less transparency around civilian casualties. Plus there's the domestic body count.
 

OtherWorldly

Banned
Dec 3, 2018
2,857
An internet random talking shit about someone who sacrificed everything to let everyone know that "USA's watching you" wasn't a conspiracy but the factual truth. Snowden is 100 times the hero you dream to be poor lad. You're just clearly to dumb to realize it.

Sacrificed everything for the sake of America to hide in the arms of Putin who pushes the ideals which are the antithesis of
What he claims to protect.
Same guy who said 2016 election is between Trump and Goldman Sachs. How$ that working out for you. Snowden isn't a hero for opening national secrets. He still broke the law. There is no heroism in claiming freedom of knowledge and running to the arms of a nation which is the antithesis of that
 

Sokrates

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
560
Journalists don't illegally steal secrets. That isn't part of journalism.

They will, in the public interest, publish illegally stolen secrets, and that is and should be completely legal. THAT is the standard set by the Pentagon Papers.

If you think Assange is acting in the public interest, then you are just flat out wrong.

Who determines what's in the public interest? I don't trust the state to use that power responsibly.
 

Rampage

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,140
Metro Detriot
Orange man bad, so let's erode journalism and the standards set by the Pentagon Papers. Remember, people hated Ellsberg too.

Wikileaks does not abide by any journalistic standards. They directly work with one State to spread propaganda and destabilize the world for that State.

Releasing of the the Pentagon Papers does not excuse them for all the actions they have taken since.

You cry about journalism, that Orange man allowed an American journalist to be murdered with no repercussions.

And that Orange man frequently calls the press fake news and wants to put them out of business. Notice the rise of attempted murder attempts on non propaganda news organizations.
 

QuantumZebra

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,304
Excellent, get fucked Assange. Hope there is pictures.

Pretty much

Snowden was a legit whistleblower... Assange would have leaked secrets about his great grandmother and sucked off half the KGB to get asylum from Russia. Not to mention Wikileaks knowingly publishing documents altered by KGB-backed hackers.

Get fucked, Assange.

Who determines what's in the public interest? I don't trust the state to use that power responsibly.

When you have someone like Assange that is willing to throw the truth and everything else out to spin an agenda... that's not in the public interest.

What Snowden did (in his eyes, and I agree), was in the public interest.
 

Siggy

Member
Dec 12, 2017
264
This. Try him for the rape.
Then fly him over to the states.
Separate sentences for publishing snowden docs, publishing hillary's campaign emails, and working with Roger Stone to influence the election.

Then ship him to Gitmo.

Make sure he is in prison for the rest of his life.
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Became a Guantanamo fan through MGSV: Ground Zeroes? Great game.

Stop defending torture camps.
 

DorkLord54

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,466
Michigan
Journalists don't illegally steal secrets. That isn't part of journalism.

They will, in the public interest, publish illegally stolen secrets, and that is and should be completely legal. THAT is the standard set by the Pentagon Papers.

If you think Assange is acting in the public interest, then you are just flat out wrong.

Comparing him to Ellsberg is an insult.
Ellsberg doesn't seem to think so:
 

QuantumZebra

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,304
Orange man bad, so let's erode journalism and the standards set by the Pentagon Papers. Remember, people hated Ellsberg too.

This isn't the same scenario as the Pentagon Papers by any stretch. It's a league ahead of what Snowden did, in terms of questionable actions... and even Snowden's case isn't the same as the PP.
 

Black_Stride

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
7,389
Hell doesn't exist and you're an internet rando. May your crotch be infested by the fleas of a thousand camels. LOLZ
Yeah we get it you're a naive braindead zombie with the intelligence of an eggplant. Promptly kill yourself moron.

You can just ask moderators to ban you....self imposed bans are a thing you know.
Its easier than this back and forth.

On Topic

WikiLeaks' editor-in-chief Kristinn Hrafnsson :
Anyone who wants the press to be free should consider the implications of this case. If they will extradite a journalist to the US then no journalist will be safe. This must stop. This must end.

We know the US wants to extradite but is it because of wikileaks or because of some other case the US has against him....if its because of "journalism" then im on Kristinns side if its due to something else....he can go.

He might be a bad person or whatever....but to extradite him because of lets call it investigative journalism is top of a slippery slope no?
 

Razgreez

Banned
Apr 13, 2018
366
These threads always devolve into American exceptionalism. Wikileaks is not the reason trump became president. Democracy is
 

Deleted member 9838

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
2,773
Kinda funny how people here loved this guy seven years ago when he leaked info about an overreaching surveillance system being ran by the federal government.

I kinda hope there are enough technical faults here that make it so he isn't extradited or it's a mistrial. I'm not about to cheer on the side which has done far worse than some nerd blogging for Russia.

The fact that he sat in that embassy is enough punishment.