Snowden has proven to be a known shit stirrer and has shit opinions. Openly dressed MET detectives are now UK secret police ? You want to know about secret police ask your host Putin.
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Julian Assange has been arrested by officers from the Metropolitan Police Service
- Thread starter Dirtyshubb
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if bolton/trump are involved in this, this is most likely the real reason
You support him right? Then you are wilfully over looking death that his has cause because he once did something good. Typical white man defense. Cant we just ignore that rape, those piles of dead bodies, just because he has adoring fanboys.
He may as well be. I guess.
We live in a really shitty world. The info he stole from the govt was definitely a game changer in the sense it gave us an idea how broad the surveillance is. He showed us we live in a non fictional big brother state.
That action was heroic. He isn't a hero.
Statement from PM of UK:
"[...]This goes to show that, in the United Kingdom, no one is above the law.[...]"
Unless they broke the law for the referendum on Brexit. Then it's fine.
"[...]This goes to show that, in the United Kingdom, no one is above the law.[...]"
Unless they broke the law for the referendum on Brexit. Then it's fine.
Whistleblowers are important, but that is not the role Assange played. He was an information broker, posing as a neutral clearing ground for information while actually seeking to effect a particular outcome by filtering what did and did not get released. Moreover, he repeatedly (and in some cases intentionally) allowed collateral damage via his releases by including identifying info for regular people (military sources, women voters in Turkey, etc.) who stood to be harmed.
If he had been everything he claimed to be, I think he would still be facing the same outcome here. And that's likely not a good thing - though perhaps he would already have been taken out by former collaborators with fewer scruples, like Russia.
If he had been everything he claimed to be, I think he would still be facing the same outcome here. And that's likely not a good thing - though perhaps he would already have been taken out by former collaborators with fewer scruples, like Russia.
Good!! I hope justice gets served.
I do feel sorry for his cat though, I hope it finds a new home.
I do feel sorry for his cat though, I hope it finds a new home.
Yeah I think it's good to be suspicious about the charges from the US. I don't want Bolton nor Trump involved in this. They have the subtlety of a hammer.
Why are folks in here saying he won't be extradited, when this arrest in on BEHALF of the US, who have issued an extradition warrant?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/uk/julian-assange-arrested-gbr-intl/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/11/uk/julian-assange-arrested-gbr-intl/index.html
ya cause Hillary would have been a GREAT choice lmao - id rather someone whos dumb and too stupid to realize his racism to that snake Hillary.
Of course they are. Apparently that's totally a-okay with some people though because Trump or something.
I mean, all that stuff just makes the Assange case so complicated to judge, but I honestly cannot fathom how anyone is happy with him being charged on these grounds.
Yes, I said I'd be happy with him being charged on rape allegations or hacking (of the DNC e-mails if he did so himself), so I must obviously support him.
That's what I love about discussions on this forum, this constant "You're not 100% with me? Must be one of them, then!" Really leads to fruitful and productive discussions.
He's claiming he's talking about police officers in plain clothes which had been staking out the embassy days beforehand... Which is still plain clothes officers, not 'secret police'. Snowden of all people should damn well know what 'secret police' implies.
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Julian Assange, founder of WikiLeaks, charged in computer hacking conspiracy. Click here for copy of the indictment:
let them fuck it up and then have him go to jail in sweden
The illegal wars carried out by the US, and notably, the UK, don't really matter when it comes down to it. You could see that in America when it came to 2016 and suddenly George Bush was a hero because something something poncho at Trump's inauguration. You repeatedly get rhetoric that Trump is far worse than Bush because all the lives lost in the Middle East aren't on home soil (even although many American soldiers were killed).
One doesn't have to currently like Assange, to be honest about why the US Government is gunning for him here. It's nothing to do with the things everyone is talking about in this topic. It's for sharing leaked information that made the US Government look like shit.
Surprisingly light charges initially. Especially for being extradition-worthy. Hmm.
As much as I dislike Hillary. There's no way she's not a better choice than this fucking turd in office.
Whistleblowing has it's place as a positive thing, when the data that is released is narrowly focused on whatever is being highlighted.
Information is a pretty fucking powerful thing, and when used without care can result of innocent people at best being placed in danger. The likes of Wikileaks, Snowden, Assange etc have been guilty of releasing data for the sake of it, with little care in the implications of such actions beyond what they intended. That has major ramifications.
People see this now, such as the incidents shown in the threadmark. It should be no surprise that it comes down to the political intent of those behind Wikileaks what happens with that leaked information - and history has shown that Assange/Snowden et al should be treated with the contempt they deserve. It's only a matter of time before Snowden, the pawn he is, sees himself seeing the same kind of situation once his current hosts have determined he is of no further use.
Yup. And conviently, it allows people to forget about said war crimes. I'm all for prosecuting Assange for rape, but let's not pretend that's the only issue here
NOTHING TO SEE COMRADE
Those who actually believe this 2 party system isnt corrupt as fuck are delusional.
Trump is like the Antichrist. He is all the worst parts of capitalism rolled into a clown troll who has major self esteem issues and is a sociopath. He also believes all welfare should be corporate welfare.
Hilary was choice by default. Saying she was a good candidate is another conversation. I don't like her and I agree she is a corporate goon.
But she is one that wouldn't kill poor people and slave immigrants. So she wins by default. This tweet is disingenuous because it equates their awfulness when trump is so much worse. And it's not remotely close.
I don't think it's possible we will ever get a good candidate for president. Look what happened to Bernie.
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You honestly believe that Trump has no awareness of his racism?
Welp
The C's that the Trump family wrote on black families applications back in the 70s I guess isn't explicit enough for this person.
If they establish precedent it's worrying.
I agree with you, but we cannot keep going on with the fucking tweet from Snowden about the elections, it's like he somehow got Trump elected because he simply said that both Trump and Hillary were shit.
Every single time I read on this forum of some parallel reason why was Trump elected: Russia, Snowden, Fox News, my uncle, etc.
Sure I believe there was corruption etc, but it looks like a way to find someone to blame without looking at the status of the US during the election.
That post reeks of privilege and dishonesty. Straight to the ignore list. Pure trash.
Denying climate change.
Locking kids in cages.
Inciting violence towards PoC.
Calling other countries shitholes.
A sexist piece of shit.
Rampant corruption.
Trying to fuck LGBTQ people
Nominating a known rapist called Kavanaugh as Supreme.
But sure, Hillary Clinton is worst than Trump. I don't even like her, but that statement is stupid.
It would be better if posters in this topic could at least be intellectually honest about why the US is gunning for him here. It's not because of the 2016 election and Hillary Clinton not winning.
Having Assange in custody makes the Roger Stone trial a lot more interesting.
Assange can be compelled to appear in court during Stone's trial and he'll either take a bullet for Roger Stone or expose Roger Stone to get himself a lighter sentence.
Would Julian Assange die on a hill for Roger Stone? Or vice-versa?
Assange can be compelled to appear in court during Stone's trial and he'll either take a bullet for Roger Stone or expose Roger Stone to get himself a lighter sentence.
Would Julian Assange die on a hill for Roger Stone? Or vice-versa?
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Ya, cause Hillary probably isn't all those things and more too.
The point is id rather someone who's dumb and falls over their untied shoelaces than Hillary who is just as bad, but smarter and can hide it.
This was an incredibly helpful post, thank you! In my head, I was thinking "Why are people so against a dude releasing information?" but this gave me exactly what I was looking for.
I say this with full sincerity, you are astonishingly apathetic and your opinion is putrid. Take your both sides and false equivalency bullshit elsewhere.
The damage done to the federal government by Trump is gigantic and it will take multiple competent administrations to undo his bullshit. Educate yourself or wallow in your ignorance. Your choice.
It should be a threadmark.
I'm on the same boat. It's the first time I see people hating on this guy. It's also viewed on a pretty different lens here.
I sure hope this is a joke or something like that. Because, wow, this is so wrong.
Reading is hard.
"If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. "
Because the dead gay and women Saudia Arabia and Turkey will never have their day in court because they are not white man with means. Instead of going to court and proving his innocent, this fucker ran away long enough for the statue of limitations to kick in on most of his rape charges. Sometimes the only solace victims of crimes get is for their attacker to be taken down on unrelated crimes. Tax evasion seems like such a milquetoast charge mob boss, but no one cries for Al Capone.
If Hillary were present, Brett Kavanagh and Neil Gorsuch would not be Supreme Court justices.
Its 2019, there is no excuse to be this ignorant
but ah, as the wise man (me) once said, would you still be happy if he never hurt anyone? makes you think.