Judge in Ohio orders Cinci hospital to treat COVID-19 patient with Ivermectin, despite CDC warnings

[platocplx]

I think this doctor needs to be removed from any professional circles. It seems like this ruling is because this guy is claiming to be the patients doctor and they prescribed this crap to them so the hospital should fufill the prescription at least that's what it seems like.

 

[Avik-G]

Hahaha what a country mark.

 

[hans_castorp]

This is bonkers. Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine for conservatives nutjobs I guess.
Something similar happened in Spain recently. A judge forced an hospital to use a ozone-based therapy in a COVID19 patient. The ruling has been reversed, but there was a huge uproar

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So basically the quack doctor, at the behest of the patient's idiot wife, actually filled out the prescription, but the hospital refuses to fulfill and administrate it on the hospitalized patient (with good reason), so they're suing and the judge found in favour of the doctor... man, there's a whole gallery of stupid here. Failures on numerous levels:
- the patient for (probably) not being vaccinated;
- the patient's wife for buying into ivermectin nonsense;
- the quack doctor for being a snake oil salesman;
- the judge for enabling that doctor.

This is what anti-science and anti-intellectualism in society leads you, I guess. I feel for the hospital, they are trapped here. They'll need to either administrate the drug and endanger the patient, or... well, I don't know what the consequences of disobeying the judge's order would be like in this case. A fine? Criminal charges? Can they counter-sue?

And if they refuse to administrate the drug and the patient dies, they'll be sued again for sure for "not giving a life saving medicine". If they do give the drug and the patient dies, I guess the blood will be on everyone else's hands, though.


I don't think they can do that, since he's hospitalized

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actually, maybe they could have?

Hospital should've used this defense:

It's unclear why the hospital didn't mount any defense under a new law passed in the state budget this summer that grants health care providers the "freedom to decline to perform" any service which violates their "conscience," as informed by moral, ethical or religious beliefs.

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This judge needs to be disbarred immediately. A judge willfully attempting to defy and delegitimize federal agencies when it comes to healthcare (a field this judge has no actual experience in) has no business issuing rulings on any important matters whatsoever.

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which means he'll probably get reelected.

 

[Wein Cruz]

Our non-existent evidence is irrefutable!!!

How many of these morons have to die before they realize this is some snake oil shit.

 

[Infernostew]

This is so bonkers! Eh, feed the fucker his horse paste cure-all! Dude's been on a ventilator for about a month now, he's fucked. Should've gotten his shot but he freedomed too hard.

 

[The Real Abed]

Humans are so goddamned stupid.

 

[MechaMarmaset]

So basically the quack doctor, at the behest of the patient's idiot wife, actually filled out the prescription, but the hospital refuses to fulfill and administrate it on the hospitalized patient (with good reason), so they're suing and the judge found in favour of the doctor... man, there's a whole gallery of stupid here. Failures on numerous levels:
- the patient for (probably) not being vaccinated;
- the patient's wife for buying into ivermectin nonsense;
- the quack doctor for being a snake oil salesman;
- the judge for enabling that doctor.

This is what anti-science and anti-intellectualism in society leads you, I guess. I feel for the hospital, they are trapped here. They'll need to either administrate the drug and endanger the patient, or... well, I don't know what the consequences of disobeying the judge's order would be like in this case. A fine? Criminal charges? Can they counter-sue?

And if they refuse to administrate the drug and the patient dies, they'll be sued again for sure for "not giving a life saving medicine". If they do give the drug and the patient dies, I guess the blood will be on everyone else's hands, though.


I don't think they can do that, since he's hospitalized

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If you read the case pdf she's already signed documents relieving the hospital of responsibility if they administer the ivermectin. They've exhausted the standard COVID treatment course and he's pretty much guaranteed to die, so this is her basically grasping at anything to not lose her husband, and then this quack doctor steps in and makes it worse.

I'm curious as to what the laws are around this type of thing. This quack doctor is basically pulling a stupid version of Dr House and trying to prescribe the ivermectin outside of its approved uses.

 

[jroc74]

Apparently this happen before

After court order, Elmhurst Hospital says it’s allowing COVID-19 patient to receive controversial drug ivermectin

An attorney for Elmhurst Hospital said at a court hearing Tuesday that a patient whose daughter sued to procure a controversial treatment for COVID-19 has begun to receive the medication. The lawye…

www.chicagotribune.com

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So there is no way someone can sue to force ppl, potential patients to get vaccinated ....but ppl can sue to force hospitals to give ivermectin to their family.

What in thee actual fuck....

Hey, at this point....

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So basically the quack doctor, at the behest of the patient's idiot wife, actually filled out the prescription, but the hospital refuses to fulfill and administrate it on the hospitalized patient (with good reason), so they're suing and the judge found in favour of the doctor... man, there's a whole gallery of stupid here. Failures on numerous levels:
- the patient for (probably) not being vaccinated;
- the patient's wife for buying into ivermectin nonsense;
- the quack doctor for being a snake oil salesman;
- the judge for enabling that doctor.

This is what anti-science and anti-intellectualism in society leads you, I guess. I feel for the hospital, they are trapped here. They'll need to either administrate the drug and endanger the patient, or... well, I don't know what the consequences of disobeying the judge's order would be like in this case. A fine? Criminal charges? Can they counter-sue?

And if they refuse to administrate the drug and the patient dies, they'll be sued again for sure for "not giving a life saving medicine". If they do give the drug and the patient dies, I guess the blood will be on everyone else's hands, though.


I don't think they can do that, since he's hospitalized

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Again,

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At this point, fuck it. Just let decisions like this be on an individual basis. I am beyond caring at this point.

Its not like there's nothing else that's highly effective out there for ppl to get. And there must be no way anyone can force and enforce mandates for the vaccine....

And ppl complained about a doctor choosing to not see and take any un vaxxed ppl.

Get the fuck out of here with that. This is the other end of that spectrum.

 

[excelsiorlef]

This sounds wrong? What if the patient dies while administering a drug that they know has harmfull affects?

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The same judge will rule it is perfectly legal for this woman to sue for wrongful death lol

 

[QuigleyMcShine]

I wonder if there's some legal quirk here where this Wagshul guy is technically a doctor so the hospital has to treat his prescriptions as valid, but even then it seems nuts to me that a hospital can be forced to follow an obviously harmful prescription.

 

[Morrigan]

If you read the case pdf she's already signed documents relieving the hospital of responsibility if they administer the ivermectin. They've exhausted the standard COVID treatment course and he's pretty much guaranteed to die, so this is her basically grasping at anything to not lose her husband, and then this quack doctor steps in and makes it worse.

I'm curious as to what the laws are around this type of thing. This quack doctor is basically pulling a stupid version of Dr House and trying to prescribe the ivermectin outside of its approved uses.

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I guess that's not as bad as I thought, but it's still pretty dumb, because there's really no evidence at all in favour of ivermectin, and meanwhile, farm veterinarians are struggling to find medicine for their horses lately 🙄

 

[Kenai]

I guess the upside of this is that he is probably going to die anyway so if the hospital plays their cards right they can get out of being sued (cause they are totally getting sued)

Still depressing to read ofc

 

[Dreams-Visions]

If you read the case pdf she's already signed documents relieving the hospital of responsibility if they administer the ivermectin. They've exhausted the standard COVID treatment course and he's pretty much guaranteed to die, so this is her basically grasping at anything to not lose her husband, and then this quack doctor steps in and makes it worse.

I'm curious as to what the laws are around this type of thing. This quack doctor is basically pulling a stupid version of Dr House and trying to prescribe the ivermectin outside of its approved uses.

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Figured as much. As I mentioned, the concern here is expediting this person's death with Invermectin. That's not what physicians sign up for, and doctors should have the ethical authority to opt out of doing it. Let this random doctor perscribe it if that's what the family wants, assuming this doctor has a license in the state and the hospital administration allows him to practice on their premises.

Forcing a good doctor to use this stuff is just unacceptable to me.

 

[SquirrelSr]

Let me guess. They're anti-vaxxers.

 

[Loudninja]

If you read the case pdf she's already signed documents relieving the hospital of responsibility if they administer the ivermectin. They've exhausted the standard COVID treatment course and he's pretty much guaranteed to die, so this is her basically grasping at anything to not lose her husband, and then this quack doctor steps in and makes it worse.

I'm curious as to what the laws are around this type of thing. This quack doctor is basically pulling a stupid version of Dr House and trying to prescribe the ivermectin outside of its approved uses.

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Thats so damn sad

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Let me guess. They're anti-vaxxers.

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you don't find yourself in the ICU unless you were unvaccinated.

could be immunocompromised. But the quack doctor definitely leans the story towards antivaxx (though it could just be pure desperation).

 

[More_Badass]

A judge can do that? What if the next conservarive COVID snake oil is mercury? Could a judge order a hospital to treat people with mercury?

 

[Deleted member 8257]

So the husband is intubated.

This is so bonkers! Eh, feed the fucker his horse paste cure-all! Dude's been on a ventilator for about a month now, he's fucked. Should've gotten his shot but he freedomed too hard.

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How will you feed the intubated guy with horse paste? This lawsuit is all sorts of ridiculous and the judge is a dumbfuck.

There are actually many dumbfuck people who get elected to be judges in America.

 

[KtotheRoc]

This is madness! Madness, I say!

 

[Divvy]

I think the hospital just doesn't see it as something worth fighting. There was an AMA last night on the Hermaincainawards subreddit with a doctor working with intubated patients. They said that Invermectin wasn't toxic at normal human doses (not fucking horse sized doses) it just doesn't do anything. I bet the hospital just is just like "whatever, he's gonna die anyways"

 

[zashga]

Disgusting story all around. A man dying from a preventable disease has his family conned into paying for a miracle cure from a quack doctor, and a judge steps in to force the actual doctors and nurses to administer it.

 

[bsigg]

So, when he dies is his wife going to sue the hospital for administering the dewormer?

 

[Annubis]

On the plus side, the quack doctor will probably lose his license for malpractice after the patient dies.

 

[DarthWoo]

Basically a win-win for the crazies. If he happens to recover, he was probably going to have recovered anyway, but they can claim it was the horse paste. If he dies, they can claim the hospital waited too long and he would have lived but for want of horse paste.

 

[AM_LIGHT]

This doesn't make any sense. Even if hypothetically the drug really did work , the judge is not a fucking doctor to be qualified to do that .

 

[Lucreto]

The hospital lawyers should present a legal tome which the wife will have to sign that this is being administered against the Doctors and the advise of the CDC and they cannot sue when he dies of ivermectin poisoning.

 

[shintoki]

Why not, lets free up another ventilator quicker while she should lose all rights to sue the hospital.

 

[m0dus]

What the cinnamon toast fuck.

 

[Jmdajr]

Lol what?

 

[Chikor]

Not sure how this is legal

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Judges can do whatever the fuck they want, and unless it is overturned by an appeal it's the law of the land.

 

[maabus1999]

So the husband is intubated.

How will you feed the intubated guy with horse paste? This lawsuit is all sorts of ridiculous and the judge is a dumbfuck.

There are actually many dumbfuck people who get elected to be judges in America.

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This is for the human version which isn't a paste and is prescribed for other things legitimately. Beyond that everything else is bonkers.

 

[Dark Knight]

Why Ohio why

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Oh-why-o

 

[Lobster Roll]

This happening in Ohio isn't even remotely surprising.

 

[Jmdajr]

So who started this other idiotic trend?

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Judges can do whatever the fuck they want, and unless it is overturned by an appeal it's the law of the land.

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Who watches the watchmen?

 

[CerealKi11a]

The most concerning thing to me is that this person got a prescription from an actual fucking doctor. I'm not surprised this judge ruled that way.

 

[Lord Azrael]

Do they have kids? Imo there should be a full investigation into the family. I understand being desperate to save your spouse, but there's no way there isn't mental, verbal, emotional or possibly physical abuse happening at their home.

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Bit of a leap there buddy. Let their dumbass actions speak for themselves instead of turning this into something it's not

 

[grand]

Judge Howard currently presides over the Substance Abuse and Mental Illness (SAMI) Court, a certified, specialized docket using effective, evidence-based interventions and treatments in a holistic, accountability-based, community-supported, approach designed to enhance public safety by preventing recidivism while assisting participants in taking responsibility for their behavioral health issues and leading a clean and sober lifestyle.

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Oh god

 

[Ghgghggh]

Seems like a prime opportunity for malicious compliance. Go full holistic medicine and dilute it as much as possible, since the water "remembers" the ivermectin anyway.

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A little OT:

This quote is out of line. Many holistic medical practices are evidence based - ie herbs, acupuncture and others.

What you dont seem to understand is Medicine is ruled by pharma- they dictate what is taught in medical school and the non pharmaceutical healing modalities are not where their profits live and so it is not taught. Since doctors are not taught it, many choose to belive it is because these modalities dont work. If only actual medical outcomes dictated research and education rather than profit first, our treatment options would be more vast and effective.

In a way medicine as it is taught and practice and regulated is a type of quackery.

 

[m0dus]

The most concerning thing to me is that this person got a prescription from an actual fucking doctor. I'm not surprised this judge ruled that way.

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In my experience there are some family docs out there that I wouldn't trust to wipe their own asses effectively.

 

[BassForever]

Digging past the headline it sounds like he's dead already, and if the human version of this isn't going to actually do anything to him positively or negatively, why not just give the man and his wife what they want.

 

[Chikor]

Who watches the watchmen?

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Eventually, these people

Yeah we're pretty screwed.

 

[Deleted member 11637]

Eventually, these people

Yeah we're pretty screwed.

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Not pictured: the rapist and the Handmaid.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So the husband is intubated.

How will you feed the intubated guy with horse paste? This lawsuit is all sorts of ridiculous and the judge is a dumbfuck.

There are actually many dumbfuck people who get elected to be judges in America.

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?

it is injected with a needle and syringe.

 

[grand]

A little OT:

This quote is out of line. Many holistic medical practices are evidence based - ie herbs, acupuncture and others.

What you dont seem to understand is Medicine is ruled by pharma- they dictate what is taught in medical school and the non pharmaceutical healing modalities are not where their profits live and so it is not taught. Since doctors are not taught it, many choose to belive it is because these modalities dont work. If only actual medical outcomes dictated research and education rather than profit first, our treatment options would be more vast and effective.

In a way medicine as it is taught and practice and regulated is a type of quackery.

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Lmao

 

[III-V]

So the husband is intubated.

How will you feed the intubated guy with horse paste? This lawsuit is all sorts of ridiculous and the judge is a dumbfuck.

There are actually many dumbfuck people who get elected to be judges in America.

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The Dr. did not prescribe him horse paste. Ivermectin is sold in various forms, including those safe for human consumption. That said, ivermectin is not approved for fighting covid, under emergency authorization or otherwise.

 

[Avitus]

It sounds like the daughter got another doctor to prescribe the shit to her dad and the hospital refused to carry it out. This order forces the hospital to follows the doctors prescription.

So it's not a judge playing doctor, it's a judge saying 'you have to carry out this other doctor's orders'.

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Still doesn't make sense. His current attending physicians and their emergency care would supersede whatever he got some quack doctor to sign off on.

 

[Diarrhea Day-Lewis]

Bit of a leap there buddy. Let their dumbass actions speak for themselves instead of turning this into something it's not

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I supppose you're right, it just worries me to see ppl like this. They need real help beyond the fact that the spouse is in the hospital with COVID.

 

[Dalek]

The judge should be disbarred, the doctor should lose his license, the anti-vax patient should give up his bed for another vaccinated patent, and the wife should be ordered to stay off the internet and go fuck herself.

Judge Nostrodalek has spoken.