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So despite digging some of the x-books I've not read any of this yet. I thought it was going to be the typical miniseries with tie ins in the normal books and was a bit put off when I realized it's running through all the books since I don't want to buy that much. Is it possible to only grab the books I normally do and follow this or should I just sit it out and read a recap when it's done?
This isn't one of those "barely-a-part-of-the-story" crossovers, like you said. This is one long story told throughout every issue.
If you don't want to buy all the books you can definitely just stick to the titles you are already invested in, but you'll miss out on a lot of the developments.
Or, you could not buy any books and wait for the collection to get then cheaper and all at once
Hm, I'll have to really think about this then. 22 books is a lot to buy into but I am pretty interested in it as I love Apocalypse and it seems so focused on him and stuff around him.
Yeah, this is definitely an Apocalypse-driven storyline. They are doing some fantastic work with developing him, more than they ever have in the past 35ish years
woah woah woah hold upNope.
The previous page has a bunch of portraits like this:
...but this indicates when they became active X-Men (or sub-team members), rather than indicating that they are currently active.
Ultimate Wolverine's son is in the 616-U?
Anyone else hoping that one of the "fights" will be something ridiculous, like a drinking contest or spelling bee?
PuP: "Pogg Ur-Pogg states that it is indeed Albany which is the capital of New York"
Trebek: "You need to phrase that in the form of a question."
PuP: "Pogg Ur-Pogg...ASKS that it is indeed Albany which is the capital of New York."
Trebek: "I'm sorry, but we cannot accept that."
PuP: *wrecks Jeopardy stage*
PuP: "Pogg Ur-Pogg states that it is indeed Albany which is the capital of New York"
Trebek: "You need to phrase that in the form of a question."
PuP: "Pogg Ur-Pogg...ASKS that it is indeed Albany which is the capital of New York."
Trebek: "I'm sorry, but we cannot accept that."
PuP: *wrecks Jeopardy stage*
Work has absolutely destroyed me for the last week so I just got around to reading Stasis along with the two books this week.
I love the story and world building they've been doing. I figure people are going to be disappointed that it's not a bonafide tournament arc, but I love the attention to detail.
Comparing X-Men 12 to 14 is pretty neat, guess that saves on a lot of drawing time too lol
I love the story and world building they've been doing. I figure people are going to be disappointed that it's not a bonafide tournament arc, but I love the attention to detail.
Comparing X-Men 12 to 14 is pretty neat, guess that saves on a lot of drawing time too lol
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Jimmy Hudson? Yeah, he was on the X-Men Blue team alongside the time-displaced O5 and Bloodstorm, but we haven't seen him since then.
Loved the Marauders issue but it is showing an issue with this storyline.
It has introduced so many new characters that we have to develop that story can feel like it's spinning its wheels.
It is actually developing these new characters so that we care and will be invested in the up coming battles. But after the build up of getting the weapons this lull before the fight can seem like it's stretching time.
It has introduced so many new characters that we have to develop that story can feel like it's spinning its wheels.
It is actually developing these new characters so that we care and will be invested in the up coming battles. But after the build up of getting the weapons this lull before the fight can seem like it's stretching time.
I hope no one dies in X of Swords
I just want more War and Isca being snarky at the krakoa, Pogg being Pogg, Famine being a stuck up, Death being a Casanova
I didn't think i would kill War and Death as much as i did but this is why Marauders is the best x book
Keep them alive but keep them hating each lol
I just want more War and Isca being snarky at the krakoa, Pogg being Pogg, Famine being a stuck up, Death being a Casanova
I didn't think i would kill War and Death as much as i did but this is why Marauders is the best x book
Keep them alive but keep them hating each lol
I totally understand this. There are definitely parts of this story that not everyone has signed on for... BUT I think this story will give something for everyone, just not at the same time.
Next week might be the start of the fights, but then again maybe not? Notice how Marauders has its next issue out next week, following this week's issue? Seems like it's going to be a direct follow-up to this latest story point and then maybe the other chapter coming out next week might be the start of the tournament... I hope!
They better not avoid the entire tournament due to some technicality...
Yes, I agree! But also, No, I don't! I love these new characters and would like them to either join Krakoa (they ARE mutants after all) or just continue to be a part of the X-Men universe... but it looks like we have to lose an X-Man to keep an Arrakoan :(
Either way, I am excited to see what happens. This is exactly the kind of conflict the X-Men need.
Maybe I'm reading into it wrong, but the dialogue Ilyana had between Gorgon this week, and between Cypher a few weeks ago makes it sound like they'll be fighting together rather than 1v1.
I like the Jonathan Hickman era of mutants as a story. But at this point it's not X-men anymore. It's the same characters, but the core of what made X-men X-men is not there. It's a science fantasy story: mutants stopped being 'mutants' as soon as we learned of ancient multi-million mutant societies that preceded civilization. There's nothing mutant about them now, no 'next step of evolution'. The whole prejudice metaphor seems to evaporate. They're now basically ancient race of humans magic-users. There also don't seem to evolve much over the thousands of years. Don't get me wrong, I like the multi-layered storytelling of Hickman, as well as the bold new direction. I'm just musing on the things lost in the transition.
I read it as "the millions" being the mutants born after being cross-bread with demons.
Over centuries even
It seems like Arrako had like a couple of thousand of people at most
I'm into it, more than I was the entire Secret Wars run. My only fear is like Secret Wars it concludes the entire arc in one issue
Release list updated through January, now with solicit summaries added (blurred since there are major spoilers).
As expected, X-Corp and Moira X are still MIA.
Another note: Wolverine: Black, White & Blood was stealth-dropped between my last list and this one, with the first issue out as of yesterday.
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As expected, X-Corp and Moira X are still MIA.
Another note: Wolverine: Black, White & Blood was stealth-dropped between my last list and this one, with the first issue out as of yesterday.
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11 November
- Marauders #15 (XS14)
A toast. A dance. A dinner served: Part II - Excalibur #14 (XS15)
Two swords. Two cups. Two must answer. - Wolverine #7 (XS16)
Endurance. Survival. The true lesson of pain.
- X-Force (XS17)
Chivalry gives way to fury. A knight must kneel. - Hellions #6 (XS18)
Chaos. Deceit. A hero returns. - Cable #6 (XS19)
A son. The stars. A Fool and his bravery. - Juggernaut #3/5
JUGGERNAUT ON TRIAL! It's no secret Juggernaut has been on the wrong side of the law in the past… but can even justice stop him? Or will he tear down the system?
- Excalibur #15 (XS20)
A game abandoned, but a great gamble remains.
A Tower answers. - X-Men #15 (XS21)
A great division. Bitter victories. Bitterer hearts. - X of Swords: Destruction #1 (XS22)
The wheel of fortune turns. The unfortunate fall.
A sword against the darkness.
- Hellions #7
Mr. Sinister's team of Hellions are dead. Oh, the pain! Oh, the injustice! Oh, the--wait a minute…what's Sinister really up to? The fallout from X OF SWORDS! - X-Factor #5
The events of X OF SWORDS have put the resurrection protocols in jeopardy! As the Five deals with the fallout, X-Factor investigates those affected by the tragedy...
- Juggernaut #4/5
KNOCK DOWN, DRAG OUT! For once, Juggernaut is worried about something other than himself. It's not easy, it's not what he's used to… but D-Cell is counting on him. Try and stop him from helping. - Marauders #16
The Black King did wrong. Now he must pay. - S.W.O.R.D. #1
ONE GIANT LEAP FOR MUTANTKIND! The Mutant nation of Krakoa has quickly become a major force on the world stage... but why stop there? Krakoa has relaunched the Sentient World Observation & Response Directorate—a fully independent organization dealing with all things extra-terrestrial on behalf of all of Earth. Al Ewing and Valerio Schitti, the team behind EMPYRE, bring us the tale of Mutantkind looking to do for the galaxy what Krakoa did for the planet.
- New Mutants #14
On the edge of Krakoan society, the NEW MUTANTS are loose in the Wild Hunt! Going big, blowing things up, and combining powers to see who gets crowned king of the mountain. But something lurks in the trees -- something old… and HUNGRY… and its favorite prey is young mutants… - Wolverine: Black, White & Blood #2/4
SHARPEN YOUR CLAWS FOR ROUND TWO OF WOLVERINE'S ALL-NEW ALL-STAR BLOODY BATTLES! The adventures of WOLVERINE continue in the visceral black, white and blood red format! Legendary X-scribe Chris Claremont re-teams with the incomparable Salvador Larroca to bring LOGAN back to Madripoor as PATCH, where he and KATE PRYDE face their toughest battle yet. Then, Saladin Ahmed and Kev Walker build a life-or-death catch-22, courtesy of the maniacal ARCADE, that will force Wolverine to make a life-or-death decision! Vita Ayala and Greg Land put Wolverine on a mission to stop a "cure" for the X-gene where he'll cross paths with his deadliest foe: SABRETOOTH! - X-Force #15
Omega Red's harboring a deadly secret, and X-Force may have to cross a line to keep Krakoa safe. But nothing compares to the trust broken by the interrogation of one of their own.
- Cable #7
A TALE OF TWO TIMELINES! Reeling from the events of X OF SWORDS, Cable turns back to the matter of missing mutant babies… a matter he knows a thing or two about. - Excalibur #16
The team is left changed in the aftermath of X OF SWORDS… and some things lost cannot be replaced.
- Wolverine #8
CELEBRATING 350 ISSUES OF THE SOLO ADVENTURES OF WOLVERINE! Someone's making moves against WOLVERINE'S old crew TEAM X, and it's leaving bodies dropped and artifacts stolen. A mystery unfurls as Logan picks up the scent of his old compatriot, the mutant known as MAVERICK! Don't miss this special over-sized issue celebrating Logan's history while kicking off the next arc and serving as a jumping on point for new readers! - X-Men #16
The Captain Commander of Krakoa made a fateful decision. There's no going back.
- Children of the Atom #1
WHEN DID THE X–MEN GET SIDEKICKS?! Now! Don't miss the debut of the greatest teenage super hero team of all time! They've learned from the best, now they're ready to be put to the test! But who the heck are these kids, and where do they come from? Guest-starring the X–Men! - Hellions #8
SMILE! It was a simple mission: retrieve NANNY'S ship and create a new containment armor for the recently resurrected ORPHAN-MAKER. But the emergence of an old enemy and his deadly warriors make their renewed life a hell on Earth for the HELLIONS! - Juggernaut #5/5
IT'S NOT THE END…HE'S UNSTOPPABLE! The JUGGERNAUT just keeps barreling down the path of righteousness — right into the hands of some very dangerous people. But the question is: for all his personal growth…can Cain Marko save anyone but himself? - X-Factor #6
DEATH SCREAM! Siryn is dead. Again. And again. And again.
- Marauders #17
REMATCH! Storm versus Calisto. This time, it's personal. - S.W.O.R.D. #2
WHAT IS PROTOCOL V? The S.W.O.R.D. station is thrown in at the deep end of a planetary crisis as Krakoa battles the KING IN BLACK! While a cross-division team take on latex dragons from outer space, Abigail Brand prepares a deniable operation all her own. What is PROTOCOL V - and can the Earth survive it? - Wolverine: Black, White & Blood #3/4
THE BEST THERE IS BY THE BEST THERE ARE! The groundbreaking series continues! Thrill to the Marvel Comics debut of Oscar winner JOHN RIDLEY 12 Years a Slave, The American Way) as he and JORGE FORNÉS bring LOGAN to Japan, where he will question his honor as he clashes blades with the SILVER SAMURAI! Then, it's back to his X-FORCE days with JED MacKAY and JESÚS SAIZ, as WOLVERINE must stop A.I.M.'s plot for the red planet! And, nothing can prepare you for the unstoppable team-up of DONNY CATES and CHRIS BACHALO as Wolverine has a run-in with…COSMIC GHOST RIDER?!
- Cable #8
LUCKY TO MEET YOU ! Cable gets together with his – ahem - intimate friend Domino long before they ever met! Will it be a fortunate encounter? Or has Cable met his match? - New Mutants #15
ONCE MORE INTO THE CRUCIBLE! As KARMA and DANI delve deeper into their nightmares, a spider sets his eyes on the most vulnerable of the NEW MUTANTS...Meanwhile, in the Wild Hunt, children play at being adults and prepare for the fight of their lives. - X-Force #16
TERRORS OF THE DEEP! FORGE, WOLVERINE and QUENTIN QUIRE brave the depths of the sea, where a deadly discovery reveals a dark side of KRAKOA.
- Excalibur #17
QUEEN ELIZABETH III?!? Opportunities and opportunists. Two heads-of-state seek to restore the state of things. - Wolverine #9
WEAPON X – TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER! WOLVERINE's back in MADRIPOOR for an underworld criminal auction specializing in super hero artifacts that will surface more than just bad memories for the mutant formerly known as WEAPON X! - X-Men #17
STORM THE EMPIRE! When the Shi'ar Empire asks the X-Men for help, Cyclops, Storm and Marvel Girl answer the call.
Sure, but if 'hundreds fled' and that was 1/10 of the split population, that would mean several thousand in Arakko at the start. So more in the newly-separated Krakoa. For a neolithic civilization, where you only had hunter-gatherer tribes, that still counts as advanved 'atlantean-level' civilization ;)
I totally get where you're coming from, but remember that the prejudice metaphor only applies when the mutants interact with humans.
This story is completely and utterly about the mutants, so you won't see any racial conflict here.
Also, please remember that the racial metaphor is a central part of the formation of krakoa and we have already had several stories since HoXPoX to show that.
This storyline is just giving us something different while also allowing our characters a chance to ham it up quite a bit.
Krakoa and Apoc specifically it feels like.
Like this a society based entirely of his original ideals. Survival of the fittest through seeing everyone else as an enemy to be resisted and defeated, anchored by his own family to really hit it home.
And the result is that even when its successful it just kinda sucks for everyone.
Also White Sword and his army after years of fighting and dieing and resurrecting became huge assholes
I get all that, though I feel we've been steadily moving away from Krakoa as a haven for mutants. With all the invasions of Krakoa and now with Otherworld and the X of Swords, it feels more like a Malazan Book of the Fallen, not X-men.
In other words, there's not a lot of 'men' (as in human) left in X-men. With Krakoa, the gates, resurrections, Otherworld shenaningans, it feels like we're dealing with aliens, not a mutation in the human race. Again, not complaining, just observing.
There's also the fact that Krakoa was supposed to be special, yet now we know of not one, but two 'mutant paradises'. It's hard to stay inevested in the whole 'Moira made this timeline special with Krakoa', when there's someone else going 'oh yeah, we've been doing this for millenia':
I get all that, though I feel we've been steadily moving away from Krakoa as a haven for mutants. With all the invasions of Krakoa and now with Otherworld and the X of Swords, it feels more like a Malazan Book of the Fallen, not X-men.
In other words, there's not a lot of 'men' (as in human) left in X-men. With Krakoa, the gates, resurrections, Otherworld shenaningans, it feels like we're dealing with aliens, not a mutation in the human race. Again, not complaining, just observing.
There's also the fact that Krakoa was supposed to be special, yet now we know of not one, but two 'mutant paradises'. It's hard to stay inevested in the whole 'Moira made this timeline special with Krakoa', when there's someone else going 'oh yeah, we've been doing this for millenia':
The mutant paradise isn't what made Krakoa special, it's that they've unified the mutant nation under a blending of the three great mutant philosophies.
It's basically what would have happened if Apocalypse had survived and triumphed in Age of Apocalypse. He conquers the world and beyond, everyone who serves him is strong...and they are all unhappy assholes.
Yes. I enjoyed it, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the current story
I think it might be Bei without the helm? Mainly going off of build and what looks like a diamond at their waist.
Hot take: Bei's sword is "Seducer", but Love is a language, right?
Of the classic arcs which must I read and which must I avoid (I've already Messiah stuff). I was planning on Dark Phoenix, DoFP, Fatal Attractions, AoA (I've popped in and out of this multiple times) and Mutant Massacre.
Fatal Attractions is kind of a miss I feel. It didn't really amount anything except Wolverine losing his adamantium and Onslaught.
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It was ok....there was a lot of mystery and setup for him but ultimately it's a very "90s" story.
Sort of both? The first and last issues are really good. The story in the middle kinda sucks.
Had one of the cooler Hulk moments back then in the finale.
The silliest part. "The darkness in Magneto's heart infected Xavier...so Onslaught has magnetic control powers in addition to telepathy."
Cause that's how genetics work.
It wasn't genetic though, wasn't it some astral plane entity gaining sentience comic book sillyness.
Psychic entity; doesn't need genetics. A powerful enough psychic could use telekinesis to pretty much do every power anyway.
No it was Magneto's evil mixed with Xavier's frustration that became sentient inside Xavier's mind. It wasn't an outside entity. But even then Magneto's powers are genetic in nature and shouldn't cross over through psychic shenanigans.
Actually it is canon that ever telepathy is also telekinetic, can do psychometry, etc. Just some are better at it then others. Even Emma has displayed telekinesis before, once when Jean inhabited her body and another time when her students were threatened.
Basically if your psychic in the Marvel Universe you can do it all at various levels of skills.
Still doesn't explain creating an EMP and controlling Sentinels.
My favorite part has been his wife from Millenia ago calling him soft and weak. It goes well with a theory I've had about -A- since the 90s. That he knows that he isn't the force of evolution anymore. That he is instead, just a mutant.
Telekinetic energy manipulation. Mental traits from Magneto would've caused Onslaught to lean in on the portions of the EM spectrum Magneto commonly manipulates versus more exotic shit like nuclear fission.
Maaan, this whole thing lost me. It was really into it at first but I just fell off. None of the mysteries were compelling enough to get pull me back monthly, none of the writing clever enough to leave me wanting more, none of my favourite characters acting in-character, and honestly, the idea of Krakkoa just lost its luster.
They basically ended up making the X-Men the Inhumans and that's just boring.
They basically ended up making the X-Men the Inhumans and that's just boring.