Ilyana's phrasing suggests Doug is going to find some clever solution to his fight to me. I don't see him dying.
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Hellions was simply magnificent and the whole exchange around making Sinister go was perfect
Cable felt like a nothing issue up until those final pages but I also haven't been reading any prior to this
I'm also of the camp that these stories are all happening in parallel and not sequential. So storm is arriving at the ring within moments of others.
Cable felt like a nothing issue up until those final pages but I also haven't been reading any prior to this
I'm also of the camp that these stories are all happening in parallel and not sequential. So storm is arriving at the ring within moments of others.
The current Cable issue has nothing to do with anything that came before. It seems more like a backdoor pilot for SWORD than an issue of Cable or an event tie-in.
"After hearing Sinister being an insuferable twat as usual I'd like to change my vote to "FUCK SINISTER" if that's alright with everyone"
I'm looking for some recommendations on what run I should pick up next in trades:
The Messiah Complex/War/Second Coming or Gillen's run on Uncanny?
I'm looking for something relatively self-contained with good characterization. If I get the two Compete Collections of Gillen's run will it make sense without the full AvX story?
The Messiah Complex/War/Second Coming or Gillen's run on Uncanny?
I'm looking for something relatively self-contained with good characterization. If I get the two Compete Collections of Gillen's run will it make sense without the full AvX story?
I stick to Complex/War/Coming
While Gillen's run is good most the time. It does need AvX and sometimes he really doesnt get the character's voices. Namor and Cyclops especially.
While Gillen's run is good most the time. It does need AvX and sometimes he really doesnt get the character's voices. Namor and Cyclops especially.
The Messiah arc was a favorite of mine. Outside of some meh art I like how the story unfolded
The Messiah Saga is THE event to read. It's so fucking good.
I recommend a little "extra" reading if you have MU:
Maybe the first trades of New X-Men and X-Factor beforehand so you know who the young kids are and get to know Monet/Madrox/etc a bit more
Read Yost X-Force as it intertwines with the Saga
Thanks! I'll start with Messiah War.
There was some I just didn't love. Maybe it was the XForce stuff? I'd need to go back and check
Got it. I meant to say Complex but got them mixed up when typing.
YO WHAT
Edit: I see you guys explained.
I really have no idea what'll happen to Doug. Oh man.
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You're welcome. I actually had it in a draft I was going to post yesterday when someone else was unable to find it. The draft was still there when I pulled up this thread again.
I really want to see future Xorn and Rasputin pop up on Krakoa.
Did they ever explain what the hell was going on with Magneto Xorn after the retcon? And how he came back?
The answer is shut up
Also i don't think Magneto xorn ever came back right
Maybe I'm misremembering the storylines, but I thought the art in the issues with
Archangel, Stryfe, and Apocalypse in the future
I think that's specifically the XForce stuff. I didn't love the red eye thing
Something I just read in the X of Swords Handbook's entry on Moira made me go back and check HoX #2 for a potentially a relevant fact for XoS. Describing her 9th life, it states that after Apocalypse killed Xavier and Magneto, he and Moira rescued Apocalypse's first horsemen in unrevealed circumstances. Now I remember the panel in HoX #2 where Moira and Apocalypse join hands having some peripheral background characters. I had just assumed, given their Egyptian flair, they were random Akkabaian disciples or maybe even new Horsemen but going back and looking, yup, those are the original Horsemen designs. So Moira might have relevant information on the enemy here.
Given that Moira only resets a few years compared to the thousands of years the Horsemen have been stewing for revenge, Arakko would still have the same plans to kill Apocalypse and invade Earth but it all played out differently. Did they defeat the Arakkoan forces and accept defections? Did they proactively make contact at a somewhat earlier date and manage to prevent all out war? Hox #2 specifically shows Pestilence, Death and Famine but not War - or Genesis for that matter. Is that apropos of nothing or are they main instigators that refused to rejoin 9th life Apocalypse? One thing that's certain is that the OG Horsemen would surely prefer 9th life genocidal warlord Apocalypse to our 10th life weeping on his knees Krakoan -A-.
Given that Moira only resets a few years compared to the thousands of years the Horsemen have been stewing for revenge, Arakko would still have the same plans to kill Apocalypse and invade Earth but it all played out differently. Did they defeat the Arakkoan forces and accept defections? Did they proactively make contact at a somewhat earlier date and manage to prevent all out war? Hox #2 specifically shows Pestilence, Death and Famine but not War - or Genesis for that matter. Is that apropos of nothing or are they main instigators that refused to rejoin 9th life Apocalypse? One thing that's certain is that the OG Horsemen would surely prefer 9th life genocidal warlord Apocalypse to our 10th life weeping on his knees Krakoan -A-.
That's a pretty interesting point. Following from that: Say Wolverine's promise to Solem was a place on Krakoa? That makes the "Logan's Loki" description they've used for him make sense, but if he comes to Krakoa, War isn't going to be able to side with them. She's clearly unwilling to make amends with him under these extreme circumstances, let alone break bread on a new home. So that could be the inciting point, or part of it, in Life X. And Solem killing her husband could be a constant across life lines.
Goes with my theory that is all a setup by Apocalypse. It's his final "survival of the fittest" play.
All four of the original horsemen are there in that reveal page, as well as the next one. In the first one, War is just obscured in the background behind Apoc's left side.
This is exactly what I was thinking. "Well, it's X-Force, someone's losing a damn arm"
You know what, you're right. She's very hard to see in the reveal page but the next page it's clearer.
I consider myself a newbie when it comes to comics, but I feel I've read enough recent X issues with Apocalypse to better understand the character. I've also gone back to AoA and read ~60% of the arc. However, I've yet to see him use his shape shifting abilities. How integral is this power to his character? Has it to become less relevant as time went on, or have the issues I've read (especially HoxPox) simply not featured situations where he'd normally use it?
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I like Excalibur but sometimes I feel like the story with the Braddocks can feel so obtuse
XMen 13 had some nice backstory to Apocalypse. This series has made me more interested in him than anything else. Feels there's much more depth to his character now.
XMen 13 had some nice backstory to Apocalypse. This series has made me more interested in him than anything else. Feels there's much more depth to his character now.
I've recently been thinking that I wished Jeff Lemire's short tenure on X-Men had been under Hickman.
Those two could have created beautiful things together.
Those two could have created beautiful things together.
Yeah, that does seem to have been a power he rarely uses now. In the beginning of X-Factor he was like a Mr. Fantastic on mega steroids, but he's kind of evolved (heh) as a character that is more a brick than anything else. He does modify his appearance whenever he thinks it will serve, like in Age of X, but I can't remember the last time he turned his arms into laser guns or gave himself a jetpack.
So, I've got a question after reading Excalibur this week. I might be missing something obvious, butttttt
So, my understanding is that only mutants can go through the Krakoa gates right? Hence the whole "why can't Kitty get through" storyline. Yet, on the last page of this weeks issue, Brian Braddock goes through one. I thought he wasn't a mutant?
House of X #1 established that non-mutants can go through as long as they are accompanied by a mutant and/or have Krakoa's permission.
Thanks! Like I said, I knew it was probably something obvious, but I've got a brain like a sieve!
Today's books:
Excalibur #13: XoS part 9
The Sword of Might was forged on Galador? really? I didn't knew that.
Captain Avalon is a cool name, I will give Mad Jim this.
Not a fan of this issue until the end. I felt that Bryan was not in character falling for Saturnyne's charms, but I was rewarded by the end.
Good art on this one.
X-Men #13: XoS part 10
Now we are talking. After may years, many itterations; Apocalypse finally is an interesting character.
The motivation for his "Survival of the fittest" takes on an almost tragic sense now. Heck, his fixation on choosing 4 Horsemen... he was trying to fill the void left by his children.
Interesting that Apoc's Scarab was done by Isca the Unbeaten (I love her name and design).
Excalibur #13: XoS part 9
The Sword of Might was forged on Galador? really? I didn't knew that.
Captain Avalon is a cool name, I will give Mad Jim this.
Not a fan of this issue until the end. I felt that Bryan was not in character falling for Saturnyne's charms, but I was rewarded by the end.
Good art on this one.
X-Men #13: XoS part 10
Now we are talking. After may years, many itterations; Apocalypse finally is an interesting character.
The motivation for his "Survival of the fittest" takes on an almost tragic sense now. Heck, his fixation on choosing 4 Horsemen... he was trying to fill the void left by his children.
Interesting that Apoc's Scarab was done by Isca the Unbeaten (I love her name and design).
I jumped into Excalibur since it was part of X of Swords, but I haven't been reading it. So I was super confused by this issue.
What is Jamie's whole deal, why do Gambit/Rogue/Jubilee go after him, and did he really kill Jubilee? Why did everyone seem pretty okay with that?
What is Jamie's whole deal, why do Gambit/Rogue/Jubilee go after him, and did he really kill Jubilee? Why did everyone seem pretty okay with that?
It's super confusing but in Excalibur #10 Jamie, using Earth 616 as a base, created an offshoot reality where the UK goes to war with Krakoa. Jamie kills that reality's Betsy causing another offshoot reality where each member of Excalibur is offered a talisman and becomes Captain Britains. Seems Jamie wanted to fill the ranks of the depleted Captain Britain Corp. but as for why he wanted to do that? Shrug. Also Saturnyne views them as an affront, captures them and now we see is planning to execute them. Again, it's really confusing and kind of sloppy.
This is what.
I dont know any of those characters except Wolverine and Magneto :(