Wakanda doesn't want that smoke.
Has to be the same Xavier if it's 616.
Not necessarily, that annual is prior to Age of X-Man, right? They have a number of ways and opportunities to move Xavier back into his original body (or a facsimile).
Wakanda doesn't want that smoke.
Has to be the same Xavier if it's 616.
If they kill or depower one or more of the five the process no longer works, right?
But in that same way, they could have the backup husks of the other 4 to be imprinted by Xavier at any time.
Three things:
1) I can see Hickman trying to play with the mind-body problem, here
2) Hickman plays with death a lot in his series. I think he does it well - death and resurrection often happen within his ongoings themselves. He's one of the few writers that takes advantage of comic book death as a revolving door without it feeling on-the-nose or cheap. I trust him here.
3) The note of resurrection in the wrong host body is interesting. I wonder if Xavier being in Fantomex's body changes anything about him, and if it explains... the current situation?
Not necessarily, that annual is prior to Age of X-Man, right? They have a number of ways and opportunities to move Xavier back into his original body (or a facsimile).
They won't, for philosophical/moral reasons. They don't want accidental duplicates wandering around. Hickman is explicit that a copy is only made after a mutant has been confirmed dead and/or completely unreachable by cerebro for a month.
I have to assume this method of resurrection won't be sustainable or all the mutant dna is somehow tainted with something sinister.The only thing that bugs me is that if any Mutant can be reborn, is there really any threat or impact when they die now? Sure there are other ways in instill fear in a story, and death has really never meant anything in comics, but I'm sure you get what I mean.
Otherwise, what an awesome issue! So glad to see Hickman use Hope as more than just a stand in for Jean. Then bringing in Bendis's X-Men! Hell yes!
Xavier didn't appear at all during Age of X-man, which was one of the weirder things about that arc.
I have to assume this method of resurrection won't be sustainable or all the mutant dna is somehow tainted with something sinister.
I was more bringing it up as a point they could insert "X-Man/David Haller/Whoever screwed with reality and Xavier wound up in his own body again!"
Sinister is the obvious monkey wrench in Xavier's plans here. We only have three issues left before HoX/PoX concludes though.
This isn't what Age of X-man was though, and not only was Xavier nowhere near the events when they occurred (this is a hell of a plot hole, btw) with the exception of a handful of people, he was assumed to still be dead by virtually everyone.
There's also the issue that the body Xavier constructed for himself is for all intents and purposes "his own" body, just as Betsy Braddock's current body is hers. The procedure was the same.
What feels so off about this is that there's no dissidence outside of that one Wolverine line, it's really weird that nobody is like "hey this is weird" or "I'm just gonna live my life go away". I'm thinking of X-Factor during decimation/Utopia and their desire to be on their own even with the crises going on.
It just doesn't feel right having everyone 100% on board with everything, especially that stuff about the five that do the resurrection or allowing the bad guys to come over. I hope that's a plot point that gets addressed soon, otherwise everything's going to feel wrong to me when I read the ongoings.
There's also the issue that the body Xavier constructed for himself is for all intents and purposes "his own" body, just as Betsy Braddock's current body is hers. The procedure was the same.
I'm happy other people are talking about this. I thought I was going crazy. Logan doesn't seem like himself. The whole scenario has a cult like feel on the page.I agree. Logan in particular seems like one that would be against some of this.
Dani was in the event, and explained why she was included even though Nate didn't explicitly bring her into that continuity.
Xavier was just straight up not there and never mentioned.
Oh, you're talking about the event as a whole, I thought you meant the battle that kicked AOXMan off. If ignoring the whole X development was their intent, not bringing him into their big event seems like the way to do it.
After returning he looked identical to when he (Well, Shadow King) was with Fantomex's body though, nothing seemingly changed physically.
I agree. Logan in particular seems like one that would be against some of this.
They won't, for philosophical/moral reasons. They don't want accidental duplicates wandering around. Hickman is explicit that a copy is only made after a mutant has been confirmed dead and/or completely unreachable by cerebro for a month.
regarding #3- it is interesting and I have no doubt we'll see it eventually. But regarding Xavier-
1.) He's not actually in Fantomex's body. He used his telepathy (?!) to molecularly restructure fantomex's body into an entirely different one that suited his needs. Psylocke did the same thing when gaining back her "british" body after losing her asian one. This was made explicit when X was unable to heal from a stab wound that wolverine assumed he could tank because Fantomex's powerset would have allowed it. X couldn't because the body he was now in was NOT the one Fantomex had.
2.) Overlooked in that Arc is that Xavier was unable to immediately return after Cyclops killed him because he ran into the shadow king on the astral plane. The two were locked in combat for a VERY long time- as time flows differently on the A.P. this was equivalent to decades or perhaps hundreds of years, and shadow king is capable of some horrifying stuff there. THAT experience is likely what changed Xavier- he was more than a "little" ruthless even before returning to earth.
I'm happy other people are talking about this. I thought I was going crazy. Logan doesn't seem like himself. The whole scenario has a cult like feel on the page.
I'm assuming Marauders is probably going to involve that team transporting the Krakoan drugs internationally.
Yeah, the whole thing definitely seems morally suspect. I'm guessing the visual parallels to Maker (and Cassandra Nova last issue) are supposed to drive that home.
Nice to have an idea about where the other Dawn of X books are going to be starting from. I'm assuming Marauders is probably going to involve that team transporting the Krakoan drugs internationally.
Xavier reconstructed the body he "borrowed" from Fantomex at the molecular level into something else. It's not the same body Fantomex had. X straight up says so after being stabbed and explaining that he doesn't have a healing factor because it's not the same body.
Betsy Braddock did the same thing after losing her "asian" body. She used a "borrowed" body as raw material to reconstruct the one she was born with.
There's no reason to be against any of it, since every OTHER solution resulted in Mutantkind being horribly wiped out. "Something radical" is the only way anyone lives more than a couple more years. Why would Wolverine object? what solution could he possibly come up with that might work instead?
Xavier reconstructed the body he "borrowed" from Fantomex at the molecular level into something else. It's not the same body Fantomex had. X straight up says so after being stabbed and explaining that he doesn't have a healing factor because it's not the same body.
Betsy Braddock did the same thing after losing her "asian" body. She used a "borrowed" body as raw material to reconstruct the one she was born with.
There's another subtle weird Xavier beat, this time as he and Magneto are watching the Exposed X-Men cult rally. Magneto brings up Genosha, and then Prof has a whole panel of him just smirking.
Could Xavier have been involved in the attack on Genosha as part of his plan? That could be the eventual schism.
Otherwise, I can't see this being the status quo going forward. Just a bunch of weird, unrelatable exhibitionist cultists?
I have to say though, Brazil rejecting miracle drugs (Even if Bolsonaro is a thing in this fictional world) makes no sense.
The end plan here seems to be not just mutants having an equal representation on the world stage, but mutant superiority. Logan doesn't seem like one that would support that decision.
Great issue! One of the things I like most about the status quo they're setting up is that it has me questioning my own reactions to this new mutant culture. When Xavier is looking particularly creepy in his helmet, I'm asking myself "Maybe I just see it that way because it's an entirely new culture and therefore alien/threatening."
I hope that's something they really lean into in the ongoings. I think it's far more interesting to have the thing that Xavier is building seem threatening to the world (and to some extent the reader) because it's a culture separate from mankind. Inherit bias against the "other." I mean, given the extreme things that Moira X has shown us... it jives with me that the response has to be this extreme. And therefore scary af!
Great issue! One of the things I like most about the status quo they're setting up is that it has me questioning my own reactions to this new mutant culture. When Xavier is looking particularly creepy in his helmet, I'm asking myself "Maybe I just see it that way because it's an entirely new culture and therefore alien/threatening."
I hope that's something they really lean into in the ongoings. I think it's far more interesting to have the thing that Xavier is building seem threatening to the world (and to some extent the reader) because it's a culture separate from mankind. Inherit bias against the "other." I mean, given the extreme things that Moira X has shown us... it jives with me that the response has to be this extreme. And therefore scary af!
Hickman has retroactively made reading Bendis's UXM more appealing to me.
I still don't like Jean taking on the Marvel Girl persona again. After the last HoX issue, it felt like she was a younger version of herself. Like whenever Cerebro made the copy of her must have been at an earlier point in history compared to some of the other characters or something.
Everyone obviously recognizes that Betsy's appearance changed though, while everyone else seemed to think that Xavier was in Fantomex's body and only noticed it wasn't the case when it turned out he didn't have regeneration anymore. I always thought that line was more about him removing the weird enhancements and physiology of Fantomex's body to write out his powers/limitations and stay just with Xavier's powerset rather than him rebuilding his original body due to how it was handled.
oh huh. weird. That was just my guess after reading the issue
The end plan here seems to be not just mutants having an equal representation on the world stage, but mutant superiority. Logan doesn't seem like one that would support that decision.
Don't suppose there is a clean wallpaper version of these combined?