Not necessarily, that annual is prior to Age of X-Man, right? They have a number of ways and opportunities to move Xavier back into his original body (or a facsimile).
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Not necessarily, that annual is prior to Age of X-Man, right? They have a number of ways and opportunities to move Xavier back into his original body (or a facsimile).
They specifically mention Proteus having back up husks ready to go, I wouldn't be surprised if the same goes to the others.
The only thing that bugs me is that if any Mutant can be reborn, is there really any threat or impact when they die now? Sure there are other ways in instill fear in a story, and death has really never meant anything in comics, but I'm sure you get what I mean.
Otherwise, what an awesome issue! So glad to see Hickman use Hope as more than just a stand in for Jean. Then bringing in Bendis's X-Men! Hell yes!
Otherwise, what an awesome issue! So glad to see Hickman use Hope as more than just a stand in for Jean. Then bringing in Bendis's X-Men! Hell yes!
They won't, for philosophical/moral reasons. They don't want accidental duplicates wandering around. Hickman is explicit that a copy is only made after a mutant has been confirmed dead and/or completely unreachable by cerebro for a month.
regarding #3- it is interesting and I have no doubt we'll see it eventually. But regarding Xavier-
1.) He's not actually in Fantomex's body. He used his telepathy (?!) to molecularly restructure fantomex's body into an entirely different one that suited his needs. Psylocke did the same thing when gaining back her "british" body after losing her asian one. This was made explicit when X was unable to heal from a stab wound that wolverine assumed he could tank because Fantomex's powerset would have allowed it. X couldn't because the body he was now in was NOT the one Fantomex had.
2.) Overlooked in that Arc is that Xavier was unable to immediately return after Cyclops killed him because he ran into the shadow king on the astral plane. The two were locked in combat for a VERY long time- as time flows differently on the A.P. this was equivalent to decades or perhaps hundreds of years, and shadow king is capable of some horrifying stuff there. THAT experience is likely what changed Xavier- he was more than a "little" ruthless even before returning to earth.
Xavier didn't appear at all during Age of X-man, which was one of the weirder things about that arc.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that point. Maaaaaaan he really thought this out to the minute details.
I have to assume this method of resurrection won't be sustainable or all the mutant dna is somehow tainted with something sinister.
I was more bringing it up as a point they could insert "X-Man/David Haller/Whoever screwed with reality and Xavier wound up in his own body again!"
Sinister is the obvious monkey wrench in Xavier's plans here. We only have three issues left before HoX/PoX concludes though.
This isn't what Age of X-man was though, and not only was Xavier nowhere near the events when they occurred (this is a hell of a plot hole, btw) with the exception of a handful of people, he was assumed to still be dead by virtually everyone.
There's also the issue that the body Xavier constructed for himself is for all intents and purposes "his own" body, just as Betsy Braddock's current body is hers. The procedure was the same.
I like the callback to Jean and Storm's first reunion during Inferno....but Jean's reply felt like a line reading "Oh....I'm the only me that ever was"...something still feels off there
This whole "using Cerebro/a to collect, store, and re-insert a mind" into a new body was essentially Jean's idea, back when she saved Xavier
He's actually been curious about this since Jean transferred her mind into Emma's body(HUSK, if you will
Lol@making Goldballs relevant...and I hope(lol) Hope dies and Synch takes her place
This whole "using Cerebro/a to collect, store, and re-insert a mind" into a new body was essentially Jean's idea, back when she saved Xavier
He's actually been curious about this since Jean transferred her mind into Emma's body(HUSK, if you will
Lol@making Goldballs relevant...and I hope(lol) Hope dies and Synch takes her place
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I agree. Logan in particular seems like one that would be against some of this.
Dani was in the event, and explained why she was included even though Nate didn't explicitly bring her into that continuity.
Xavier was just straight up not there and never mentioned.
After returning he looked identical to when he (Well, Shadow King) was with Fantomex's body though, nothing seemingly changed physically.
I'm happy other people are talking about this. I thought I was going crazy. Logan doesn't seem like himself. The whole scenario has a cult like feel on the page.
Oh, you're talking about the event as a whole, I thought you meant the battle that kicked AOXMan off. If ignoring the whole X development was their intent, not bringing him into their big event seems like the way to do it.
Dani was not present for the battle that kicked everything off, but DOES appear in Prisoner X, remembering the prior continuity. She's also present in the "real" world in Uncanny.
Why this is gets explained at the conclusion of the series.
X regularly copying memories and such with Cerbero reminds me of the learning beds capturing Hank and Dean's minds for cloning on Venture Bros.
Xavier reconstructed the body he "borrowed" from Fantomex at the molecular level into something else. It's not the same body Fantomex had. X straight up says so after being stabbed and explaining that he doesn't have a healing factor because it's not the same body.
Betsy Braddock did the same thing after losing her "asian" body. She used a "borrowed" body as raw material to reconstruct the one she was born with.
There's no reason to be against any of it, since every OTHER solution resulted in Mutantkind being horribly wiped out. "Something radical" is the only way anyone lives more than a couple more years. Why would Wolverine object? what solution could he possibly come up with that might work instead?
Yeah, the whole thing definitely seems morally suspect. I'm guessing the visual parallels to Maker (and Cassandra Nova last issue) are supposed to drive that home.
Nice to have an idea about where the other Dawn of X books are going to be starting from. I'm assuming Marauders is probably going to involve that team transporting the Krakoan drugs internationally.
Nice to have an idea about where the other Dawn of X books are going to be starting from. I'm assuming Marauders is probably going to involve that team transporting the Krakoan drugs internationally.
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The proof positive of this is the naked X-Men smiling on stage with their songs hanging out in front of every one they know INCLUDING CHILDREN.
Couldn't someone have done this process to "resurrect" Xavier but then but someone else's mind backup into the body? Now we've got someone unethical pretending to be Xavier with access to his powers running the show. Maybe someone like....Moira?
Xavier being in a morally grey area at best is pretty obvious. I agree the "maker" and "cassandra nova" parallels are both obvious and intentional, in case nobody read Astonishing Xmen or the Astonishing Annual.
I vaguely recall someone mentioning that whatever they're shipping in "marauders" is something they don't want going by "gate" so it may not be drugs, but something more volatile.
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The end plan here seems to be not just mutants having an equal representation on the world stage, but mutant superiority. Logan doesn't seem like one that would support that decision.
Everyone obviously recognizes that Betsy's appearance changed though, while everyone else seemed to think that Xavier was in Fantomex's body and only noticed it wasn't the case when it turned out he didn't have regeneration anymore. I always thought that line was more about him removing the weird enhancements and physiology of Fantomex's body to write out his powers/limitations and stay just with Xavier's powerset rather than him rebuilding his original body due to how it was handled.
There's another subtle weird Xavier beat, this time as he and Magneto are watching the Exposed X-Men cult rally. Magneto brings up Genosha, and then Prof has a whole panel of him just smirking.
Could Xavier have been involved in the attack on Genosha as part of his plan? That could be the eventual schism.
Otherwise, I can't see this being the status quo going forward. Just a bunch of weird, unrelatable exhibitionist cultists?
Could Xavier have been involved in the attack on Genosha as part of his plan? That could be the eventual schism.
Otherwise, I can't see this being the status quo going forward. Just a bunch of weird, unrelatable exhibitionist cultists?
Well that's the thing, these are all characters that really shouldn't be playing nicely together. Especially the villain group they brought in this last issue.
Usually it wouldn't make any sense, but with Bolsonaro it could happen, really. He makes way too many decisions based on personal beliefs rather than any pragmatism. If in the Marvel Universe he dislikes Krakoa/mutants, he'd side against it.
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Great issue! One of the things I like most about the status quo they're setting up is that it has me questioning my own reactions to this new mutant culture. When Xavier is looking particularly creepy in his helmet, I'm asking myself "Maybe I just see it that way because it's an entirely new culture and therefore alien/threatening."
I hope that's something they really lean into in the ongoings. I think it's far more interesting to have the thing that Xavier is building seem threatening to the world (and to some extent the reader) because it's a culture separate from mankind. Inherit bias against the "other." I mean, given the extreme things that Moira X has shown us... it jives with me that the response has to be this extreme. And therefore scary af!
I hope that's something they really lean into in the ongoings. I think it's far more interesting to have the thing that Xavier is building seem threatening to the world (and to some extent the reader) because it's a culture separate from mankind. Inherit bias against the "other." I mean, given the extreme things that Moira X has shown us... it jives with me that the response has to be this extreme. And therefore scary af!
POX seems to suggest the end goal is joint uplift rather than the seemingly inevitable split annihilation.
I think that's what's going on with most of the responses people have. To me, it's pretty much the thing every mutant has ever wanted. The situations a lot of the bad guys have been in are the result of being out of place with humans. I fucking LOVED Apocalypse's lines about this is all he's ever wanted.
Seeing the mutants work together like that to make the clones was sick.
I mean I just have to hope that there's more to this, because if this is really how the X-Men are going to be written than I'm probably done with the franchise for the foreseeable future. This is stripping them of their relatability.
Hickman has retroactively made reading Bendis's UXM more appealing to me.
I still don't like Jean taking on the Marvel Girl persona again. After the last HoX issue, it felt like she was a younger version of herself. Like whenever Cerebro made the copy of her must have been at an earlier point in history compared to some of the other characters or something.
I still don't like Jean taking on the Marvel Girl persona again. After the last HoX issue, it felt like she was a younger version of herself. Like whenever Cerebro made the copy of her must have been at an earlier point in history compared to some of the other characters or something.
I dunno. The thing about the "mutant culture" is that this culture isn't gradually and naturally coming into existence. Until very recently, the mutants have either been members of the culture of their home city/country, or members of the weird superhero/supervillain sub-cultures.
This is essentially one man deciding how everything should be, and then everyone else is weirdly going along with it, even though plenty of them would/should have reasonable (or not so reasonable, but still present) objections.
That's pretty spooky.
I don't even buy that Xavier showing them Moira's memories would be enough. Half of the X-Men's (or supers in general) existence is "No, we'll never let that happen! We'll find another way!" Some of the villains just love being villainous for villainy's sake.
Nobody's worried about having their brain read and stored on a weekly basis? What if someone got access to those records?
What if someone doesn't want to live on a nature island?
I'm finding it super weird that Kurt's okay with just being resurrected in this manner, too.
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Someone earlier brought up Altered Carbon and I thought about that too-especially because the Cerebro backup happens once a week. What happens if someone sees something they're not supposed to and is killed-then revived and restored from their week old backup? Something similar happens in Altered Carbon but it's a one hour backup. There's a murder mystery about what happened in that hour.
The issue there is that nobody had any idea what Fantomex actually looked like, so there was no way to know whether Xavier made drastic changes and what they were. Xavier had also never *molecularly restructured a body* using telepathy before, that was wild when he did it and still is.
The assumption was that Xavier's mind was just in a body that wasn't his (think about when Emma Frost took Bobby's) but Xavier made it clear he did something else. Betsy doing the same thing during the return of wolverine books is significant since she was one of the only people that knew Xavier had returned AND what he had done to fantomex's body. She took what she learned in Astonishing from X and applied it.
The cloning thing feels unnecessarily complicated and Xavier HAS to be doing some light form of mind control on everyone in Karakoa. It'd just be too weird otherwise.
I'm just going to assume whatever's happening in House of X isn't the main timeline/the life of Moira that's going to be the focus of Hickman's X-Men #1.
I'm just going to assume whatever's happening in House of X isn't the main timeline/the life of Moira that's going to be the focus of Hickman's X-Men #1.
oh huh. weird. That was just my guess after reading the issue
That's the thing- the Xavier goal of equal representation and peaceful coexistence failed horribly. not once but TWICE in two of the moira lifetimes. Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence simply doesn't work.
By that token neither does Magneto's, and neither does Apocalypse's.
It was only a fusion of the three ideas that had any chance of working, and that means that things like unifying EVERYONE (villains included) into a single nation-state to actively advance mutant interests is the only other option. What idea could Wolverine possibly come up with that has a prayer of working any better?
