You and me both :DI still can't believe after ten years I went into a comic shop yesterday, physically purchased House of X, and its amazing. Hickman.
You and me both :DI still can't believe after ten years I went into a comic shop yesterday, physically purchased House of X, and its amazing. Hickman.
The Maker-like appearance is clearly there at least to make experienced readers uncomfortable with Xavier. Like you know he's up to some shit.
This sequence is whack knowing what happened in the Astonishing annual. Iirc that annual pretty clearly laid out that Xavier's methods for achieving his dream are now at odds with the rest of the X-Men, and that they were so disturbed by his actions he went and mind-wiped them because they "didn't understand". That Jean has to be either a fake or she's being manipulated tbh.
Hahah, don't stress too much! Virtually all of the questions you're asking are either intended to be vague/mysterious, or are otherwise not important. They can each be explained in detail, but the detail isn't really important. As in, knowing the answer isn't necessarily going to make Hickman's story make any more sense -- so far.
Is Xavier alive? Yes. He reincorporated himself from Fantomex. How? It's ambiguous. Take it from reborn Xavier himself (link). If the details are important, Hickman will go over them. If you want the specifics, check out Astonishing X-Men (2017) 1-7.
Sabertooth is a bad guy, wasn't he turned good in Axis? Yes. He went through an adventure in Weapon-X (2017) where he literally went to hell to try and rescue a loved one, died, and was sent back to Earth once again slave to his baser instincts. However, he was then killed again during the War of the Realms: Uncanny X-Men tie-in. Technically, he should be dead in House of X, but the dead seem to be returning.
Cyclops is alive? Yes, following Young Cable's coming to the present, killing Old Cable, and returning the Young X-Men to the original time, Young Cable resurrected Cyclops using a piece of Phoenix and a special device developed with some time-shenanigans. The story of his resurrection can be found in Uncanny X-Men (2018) Annual #1.
Is this Krakoa nation new? Yes. Everything about this Krakoa nation and Xavier's works on it is entirely new. Krakoa is/was a sentient mutant island that killed some X-Men, until the new X-Men from the old Giant Sized #1 fought it and launched into space. Krokoa left behind seeds on Earth. It's unclear how the House of X Krakoa relates to known continuity.
Was that Cypher alive? Cypher's been alive since the Necrosha event, when he was resurrected by the Transcode Virus being used by Seline and Eli Bard. However, the most recent time we've seen him, he looked much older and he's completely addicted to the internet to the point of being frail and extremely skinny. It's very possible that this is a different, reborn Cypher.
Is Vulcan back? The last we saw Vulcan, he was implied to have died fighting Black Bolt in the War of Kings event. However, Black Bolt survived that fight, so it's implied that Vulcan did too. In the most recent Uncanny X-Men series, Cyclops made a list of mutant threats to deal with and Vulcan's name was on it. However, he still hasn't made an appearance. So whether this new Vulcan is the same as the old one also remains uncertain.
Hope that helps! Again, I think I should reiterate that --everything should be explained-- when it becomes a priority that you know more about it. Hickman wants everything to be mysterious and weird. It's 100% okay to feel confused.
The lowercase font confuses me a bit.
This is not what it looks like.
Powers of X will have some answers I hope.
Yes.
House of X #2 will be the exact same issue with uppercase font and different costumes
Yeah, this one is super suspicious.
The only people that don't sound or look off right now are anti-heroes like Cyclops, Emma or Magneto. But that's because you expect them to be assholes.
Not according to this...shown separately in Wolverine, and an X-Men Annual. Onslaught wasn't just "pissed off Xavier". A piece of Magneto's psyche "infected" Xavier's psyche...festered and grew as various stressful events and disappointments took place, culminating with his failure to rehabilitate Sabertooth and his attack on Psylocke and others.
I wasn't ignoring it, I said that to show that I have less info on that storyline. Scanned over it once a while ago on Marvel Unlimited. That said, that still has nothing to do with the experience/skill vs. power potential. By your logic, any defeat means the "winner" is more powerful. Emma Frost "beat" X-Man in Generation X...she's not on his level power wise. Sage/Tessa reflected a psi-bolt back at Psylocke during her time in the Hellfire Club, told her more powerful telepaths lurk here, yet look at how easily I defeated you. Sage is not on Psylocke's level powerwise either.
If you're going to use "Xavier Unleashed" as a metric, then compare it to "Jean Unleashed" which is her as the White Phoenix
Yeah, this one is super suspicious.
The only people that don't sound or look off right now are anti-heroes like Cyclops, Emma or Magneto. But that's because you expect them to be assholes.
yeah and even then with Scott and Mags you can feel something sinister brewing because of how chill they were in the face of opposition. I mean, yeah, Mags had some epic flexes on the ambassadors but he seemed pretty content to just talk shit and stick with the plan, same with Scott, so we know whatever the plan is satisfies both of them to the point that they're ok showing some restraint in the immediate-term because they have faith in their long-term. Scott happily leaving Sabretooth with the FF to deal with some other time in some other way was revealing. dude has a stare down with Reed only the shrug his shoulders and cede? nah
fuckery is afoot
I agree with your overall point but Sabertooth getting fucked didn't really bother me. I took it as Scott conceding it because in the grand scheme of things, Creed's fate is inconsequential compared to whatever they have brewing. And this sends the message to every former evil mutant to keep a low profile because that kind of needless violence doesn't help them further their goals. That's pretty much what Mystique was implying earlier. To put it differently, amnesty or not, if you're a fucking moron, we'll let you hang out to dry.yeah and even then with Scott and Mags you can feel something sinister brewing because of how chill they were in the face of opposition. I mean, yeah, Mags had some epic flexes on the ambassadors but he seemed pretty content to just talk shit and stick with the plan, same with Scott, so we know whatever the plan is satisfies both of them to the point that they're ok showing some restraint in the immediate-term because they have faith in their long-term. Scott happily leaving Sabretooth with the FF to deal with some other time in some other way was revealing. dude has a stare down with Reed only the shrug his shoulders and cede? nah
fuckery is afoot
I agree with your overall point but Sabertooth getting fucked didn't really bother me. I took it as Scott conceding it because in the grand scheme of things, Creed's fate is inconsequential compared to whatever they have brewing. And this sends the message to every former evil mutant to keep a low profile because that kind of needless violence doesn't help them further their goals. That's pretty much what Mystique was implying earlier. To put it differently, amnesty or not, if you're a fucking moron, we'll let you hang out to dry.
ThisI agree with your overall point but Sabertooth getting fucked didn't really bother me. I took it as Scott conceding it because in the grand scheme of things, Creed's fate is inconsequential compared to whatever they have brewing. And this sends the message to every former evil mutant to keep a low profile because that kind of needless violence doesn't help them further their goals. That's pretty much what Mystique was implying earlier. To put it differently, amnesty or not, if you're a fucking moron, we'll let you hang out to dry.
Honestly wouldn't be surprised if that Sabretooth is a clone and expendable- Sabretooth should be dead after that business in War of Realms, and Sinister used to clone him constantly along with the rest of the marauders.
I agree with your overall point but Sabertooth getting fucked didn't really bother me. I took it as Scott conceding it because in the grand scheme of things, Creed's fate is inconsequential compared to whatever they have brewing. And this sends the message to every former evil mutant to keep a low profile because that kind of needless violence doesn't help them further their goals. That's pretty much what Mystique was implying earlier. To put it differently, amnesty or not, if you're a fucking moron, we'll let you hang out to dry.
The Ultimate universe was shown to have been rebuilt (sans Miles and other characters taken to 616, although 616 Miles then went there) at the end of Spider-men 2. No one else has acknowledged it since then though.
This is incorrect. That was not the Utimate Universe, only an homage to it.
Is there any source for that? I've actually seen some people saying that a few times here, but never any sources for it, and couldn't find anything on Google. The wikis list it as the Ultimate Universe too, so if it's not they need to be updated.
It never made any sense that it was erased either. Every single universe got destroyed, but then they were rebuilt. Why wouldn't the Ultimate universe get brought back storywise?
Willingly using Reed Richard's kid to taunt him feels like a bad decision tbh.
Were you able to find anything yet?
It seems like Scott is for some reason betting that Franklin will care more about his Mutant genes then being with his actual family.
I didn't look, that's why I asked. I don't listen to any comic podcasts! :)
The Maker is in 616 (he's in all universes now because of something Molecule Man did, it's a complicated explanation) and confirmed himself that 1610 was dead. He brought back all of the Ultimates during the (616)Ultimates2 series sans Ultimate Thor, and killed Ultimate Captain America to make a point when Cap objected to his plans for them.
Ultimate Thor wasn't brought back because his hammer survived Secret Wars and transitioned over to 616, where it's a significant part of the plot of Aaron's Thor. That Hammer transforms Volstagg into the "War Thor," but basically drives him insane because the universe it came from (1610) is dead, and the hammer is obsessed with vengeance. It was destroyed by Mangog and the remnants of it were used to turn Jane Foster into Valkyrie.
The 1610 Marauders and Jimmy Hudson were brought over during X-men Blue. Miss Sinister found them "floating in the space between dimensions" and confirmed once again that their universe is dead. All of them sans Hudson were killed off during that series.
The universe that 616 Miles wandered into still had Ultimate Cap and Thor wandering around when that was impossible, Had Ironheart as a member of the Ultimates (which again, not a thing that exists in 1610), Had a much older parker who had a daughter with MJ, and it was explicitly a universe that never had a Miles Morales counterpart. It wasn't 1610, just Bendis throwing in an homage to fans while giving 616 Miles a happy ending. As Bendis has left Marvel, you won't see it again.
Or Scott may be aware of coming changes for the mutant population that may not leave Franklin with an alternative.
All universes were destroyed and recreated though, so none of that contradicts it. Anything that somehow survived through Secret Wars would be from a dead universe. Reed and crew were also still recreating the universes at that time of those events, only stopping with the recent Fantastic Four on-going, so a recreated Ultimate still would fit in after those scenes (like Makers' confirmation that it didn't exist).
Also, Ultimate Thor had multiple hammers (in fact, the whole way what is supposed to be "his" hammer has been written post-Secret Wars makes little sense anyway, since they use the design of the one that was supposed to be a tech weapon, but treat it as a true Mjolnir... rather than just using Ult. Thor's actual Mjolnir).
None of that is impossible though (We also don't know he was "much" older). And no Miles makes sense since he was removed and his history rewritten to fit him into 616 so it would make sense they wouldn't create a copy there and would just remove him.
It seems like Scott is for some reason betting that Franklin will care more about his Mutant genes then being with his actual family.
And I didn't say that? What I pointed out was how all that happened while Reed was still going around recreating the Multiverse.This seems like the "bargaining" stage. Marvel has confirmed 1610 is gone and was not recreated in every way it possibly could have. The Maker exists in ALL dimensions at the same time and shares a conciousness. There is no way for him to be wrong about 1610 being gone.
But that pseudo(?) Ult. Riri is introduced in the same story where we get a 616 Miles with a completely different age from his Ultimate counterpart, so your argument that their ages need to match makes no sense.And yes, Riri wiliiams being present means that Parker would have to be much older. She's about a decade to a decade and a half younger than Parker and Stark.
That wasn't 1610.
That doesn't mean it's true though. What's certain is that this was hurtful to Reed and Sue, which was probably the main goal here. Even if it turns out to be true.Then what was he?
To me it seemed like he was suggesting Franklin should care more about being a mutant then being with the F4.
And I didn't say that? What I pointed out was how all that happened while Reed was still going around recreating the Multiverse.
But that pseudo(?) Ult. Riri is introduced in the same story where we get a 616 Miles with a completely different age from his Ultimate counterpart, so your argument that their ages need to match makes no sense.
Xavierfiles.comI didn't look, that's why I asked. I don't listen to any comic podcasts! :)
This is incorrect. That was not the Utimate Universe, only an homage to it.
edit: to put this one to bed, Marvel has been pretty clear the Ultimate Universe is gone.
The Maker is in 616 (he's in all universes now because of something Molecule Man did, it's a complicated explanation) and confirmed himself that 1610 was dead. He brought back all of the Ultimates during the (616)Ultimates2 series sans Ultimate Thor, and killed Ultimate Captain America to make a point when Cap objected to his plans for them.
Ultimate Thor wasn't brought back because his hammer survived Secret Wars and transitioned over to 616, where it's a significant part of the plot of Aaron's Thor. That Hammer transforms Volstagg into the "War Thor," but basically drives him insane because the universe it came from (1610) is dead, and the hammer is obsessed with vengeance. It was destroyed by Mangog and the remnants of it were used to turn Jane Foster into Valkyrie.
The 1610 Marauders and Jimmy Hudson were brought over during X-men Blue. Miss Sinister found them "floating in the space between dimensions" and confirmed once again that their universe is dead. All of them sans Hudson were killed off during that series.
The universe that 616 Miles wandered into still had Ultimate Cap and Thor wandering around when that was impossible, Had Ironheart as a member of the Ultimates (which again, not a thing that exists in 1610), Had a much older parker who had a daughter with MJ, and it was explicitly a universe that never had a Miles Morales counterpart. It wasn't 1610, just Bendis throwing in an homage to fans while giving 616 Miles a happy ending. As Bendis has left Marvel, you won't see it again.
its weird that they brought back Jimmy Hudson-and for what? Who cares about him?
the conclusion of Ultimates 2 was at most a matter of weeks from the present, given how Marvel Time works. Reed was done by then, and saying "Well, maybe the ultimate universe was created again during those few weeks" isn't plausible.
Stark and Parker don't have the same age though, so once again you bring up examples and comparisons that just make no sense. Riri can be younger than Stark and her character is mostly kept. Her age compared to Peter's is irrelevant.616 Miles was from a completely different universe than Ultimate Miles, but the age of 616 Miles was similar to 616 Parker. Molecule Man incorporated 1610 Miles in as a favor, thus the age discrepancy between the two.
Riri williams never existed in the Ultimate Universe, and her being present (that armor she runs around in was built by Stark's AI after his death, she couldn't build it on her own, and had no experience to build an AI to run one) means that stark (and thus, parker) must be significantly older than she is.
The entire history of 1610 would have to be bizarrely different for Riri to exist- and this also ignores that Utimate Cap is running around there after Maker having resurrected and killed him, and the rest of the Ultimates being in 616, not 1610.
It's not them, because they are canonically elsewhere.
Once again- this is bargaining. 1610 is confirmed gone in Thor, it's confirmed gone in Ultimates, it's confirmed gone in X-men. all of the "but maybe!" is nonsense. Marvel has been clear on this.
Reed only stopped by the start of the new Fantastic 4 on-going, so your argument is the one that doesn't make sense here. Marvel Time doesn't mean that things don't happen, it just means that characters don't age in real time.
Stark and Parker don't have the same age though, so once again you bring up examples and comparisons that just make no sense. Riri can be younger than Stark and her character is mostly kept. Her age compared to Peter's is irrelevant.
The Ultimates actually left to travel through the multiverse, so ending up back in their world wouldn't be that odd if it was eventually rebuilt. Also, I like how you need to take issue with a specific resurrection rather than the other trillion of off-screen ones involved in the multiverse getting restored.
I just checked that page again and just noticed a big misleading point in your argument. There's no indication that the May they mention there is a daughter at all. It could be Aunt May for all we know (which makes sense since Peter there clearly doesn't look old with his slim built and proportions). So, looking back you seem bizarrely fixated on denying that it's the Ult. Universe.
Except, you know, they clearly showed it to be restored and never stated that it was some other universe, which is why so many places list that as an appearance of the Ultimate Universe. That will continue to be the case until there is official confirmation that the world seen there was something else.
People keep saying that only mutants can go to Krakoa, but was that actually explicitly stated? It was stated that only mutants can go through the gateways, but that doesn't mean a human couldn't just sail up or fly in or whatever.
I mean, sure there is. Teleporting all over the planet and galaxy is a hell of a lot more convenient than flying around in a jet.Presumably Krakoa is an inaccessible or unknown location- that's the only thing I can think of that makes sense. There would be no need for all the gateways if you could just charter a flight there.
I mean, sure there is. Teleporting all over the planet and galaxy is a hell of a lot more convenient than flying around in a jet.
My point is that people are saying it's impossible that the Maker could have been there, and I'm saying it's not yet been made clear of that would actually be impossible.
They literally place it on the map, so it probably can be flown too.
Y'all are gonna make a week feel like a month with this Maker shit, Jesus Christ.