To be fair only namor actually committed genocide the rest couldn't bring themselves to do it
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yeah i think its truer to say that Hickman really likes putting the heroes into just really difficult positions where the good thing to do just isnt as obvious as it usually is.
it was the same thing with Reed trying to solve everything in his FF run as well.
I think that is being pretty nice to Dr. Strange. And Black Panther for that matter if you bring in the Atlantis/Wakanda war, but he's below both Namor and Strange on the atrocity scale.
Just read both PoX 4 and HoX 5 and I was blown away.
Although the story is kinda creepy at some points (like the resurrection part) I've been really liking how it's presented. Can't wait for the 3 issues left!
Although the story is kinda creepy at some points (like the resurrection part) I've been really liking how it's presented. Can't wait for the 3 issues left!
It's more like countries aren't squeaky clean. The fact is Krakoa isn't doing anything to secure its own sovereignty that's worse than what any other nation has done to achieve the same goal. X-Force will be particularly interesting on this front.
We're basically beyond simplistic hero/villain stuff.
I mean those villains are murderers and have ruined many lives. Why do they get off clean? Just because the humans were mean to them?
Yes, that is the stated view. One nation, one people.
I think people have this expectation of being comfortable with what's happening here or the X-Men attempting to justify themselves somehow, in terms that make sense to us as humans/readers. That might happen in the future, but as it stands, both in the context of the fiction and on a meta level as a reader, you don't have to get it because you're not a mutant.
please everyone read Immortal Hulk and after every issue know that you ain't seen shit yet
That creates a whole mess of worms, though, especially because we still don't have clarity on what happens to the timeline after she dies. We still don't know if anyone actually knows she's still alive, as well.
What's tweaking me right now is - why did their plan require them to play Heroes and Villains for ten years?
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I think this is the possible "extra" life that Destiny alluded to... before killing Moira for attempting to extinguish the mutant race.
Also, Moira DOES still have the formula on how to "cure" mutants... I wonder if that will ever come up again?
I don't see Chuck opening up Krakoa to mutant villains a dubious move at all, it is absolutely the right thing to do. He's establishing a mutant nation, so all mutant have to get Krakoan citizenship from the get go. What happens the moment they step out of line, is what to look out for.
Hope Hickman goes ham on nerdy shit like how Krakoa will be governed, if it'll get a constitution, a justice system and so on.
Hope Hickman goes ham on nerdy shit like how Krakoa will be governed, if it'll get a constitution, a justice system and so on.
I think that panel of Xavier smirking when talking about Genosha is pretty telling, maybe he allowed or even had a hand in the genocide on purpose to create the scenario where every mutant (even Selene and Apocalypse) to join and being accepted, in his mind he would ressurrect every million that died anyway. Also I think Cerebro is going to be the new Nimrod in the not so far future, a machine who can adapt to every mutant powr because it has each one very escence? If that doesn't seem ominous I don't know what it is
I got into it because of the crossover with the Fantastic Four and I can confirm.
I didn't know anything about the series and this was a hell of a selling point
We don't know. Reviving victims of Genosha seems to be the priority for now.
I can't stop thinking about this book. How we went weeks before even knowing the full scope of their plan, hoiw the weekly release schedule was PERFECT format for Hickman.
My guess is doing the process on her will somehow break her power.
My guess is doing the process on her will somehow break her power.
Ok, I've been thinking about how you create forward-moving tension in a paradigm where you have infinite lives. Sure, there are lots of small ways to have tension on an in the moment basis. The tension between mutants and humans will still exist and certainly be a plot point. But ultimately, where does it go?
I have this very strong suspicion that we'll find that out in PoX #6. We'll know this all ends in disaster. We'll get a brief glance of how. We won't know exactly how it gets there... but we'll witness it, like a trainwreck in slow motion over the course of the next year or so of books.
I have this very strong suspicion that we'll find that out in PoX #6. We'll know this all ends in disaster. We'll get a brief glance of how. We won't know exactly how it gets there... but we'll witness it, like a trainwreck in slow motion over the course of the next year or so of books.
IMO, Hickman is still being ultimately vague about the resurrection and issues like the "soul". When Scott bid his goodbye, when he told Jean he wasn't going to make it, it didn't sound like someone who knew that Xavier would resurrect them personally.
One way you create tension with infinite lives is if people begin to feel existential dread. What if mutants as a people become immortal at the expense of valuing individual lives?
Depending on how dark this gets, what if the mutant leadership deems it permissible to execute mutants who get out of line and cause trouble, with the justification they'll just resurrect a new version later?
Add in deleted memories, which would of course happen, you can get some interesting stuff.
Decided to re-read HoX & PoX up to this point for no reason in particular, and HoX #2 still floors me.
I'm having a hard time trying think of a scene more chilling in X books in the last decade or so than the bit with Destiny. Larraz & Gracia have been putting in some godlike work but god damn did they knock that scene out the park.
I'm having a hard time trying think of a scene more chilling in X books in the last decade or so than the bit with Destiny. Larraz & Gracia have been putting in some godlike work but god damn did they knock that scene out the park.
who actually wanted this fucking outfit back? she looks like she's going to a 70s swinger party.
Wait.
Cyclops's inability to control his powers is partly due to a brain injury received from falling out a plane.
When Xavier frist ressurects Scott his powers are active but undercontrol, then Xavier does his thing and gives Scott the visor.
Is Xavier forcing a brain injury on Scott?
Cyclops's inability to control his powers is partly due to a brain injury received from falling out a plane.
When Xavier frist ressurects Scott his powers are active but undercontrol, then Xavier does his thing and gives Scott the visor.
Is Xavier forcing a brain injury on Scott?
During Whedon's run, Cyclops said that the injury healed a long time ago, and now his inability to control his power was psychosomatic.
Some of them were restored by the Phoenix Force or the High Evolutionary. Sinister also created and released a virus by reverse engineering the Ultimate Universe's Mothervine that re-activated depowered mutants as well as creating new mutants and secondary mutations.
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Hickman has said a couple times what's being set up now is for the next 3-4 years of X-books, maybe even longer of sales/reception support that.
I know, it's great!
There seemed to be some clear break points for the resurrection process in the need for all of the five and need for Cerebro to record and then questions about the husks. Even with mention of possible replacements for the five, it felt like these elements were explicitly mentioned as failure points for use as conflict in future stories.
I kinda doubt that will play out in HoXPoX, though. It feels like fodder for the stories to be told going forward. I think it's interesting to have this in play for awhile, given how meaningless death can be in superhero comics at times.
There was also an explicit mention of Krakoa's political capital relying on producing the longevity meds, another obvious fracture point if it fails. Will be interesting to see if any of the enemy nations try and use extreme measures like nukes or bio weapons and how that plays out. Also whether there is mutant espionage from those nations.
I kinda doubt that will play out in HoXPoX, though. It feels like fodder for the stories to be told going forward. I think it's interesting to have this in play for awhile, given how meaningless death can be in superhero comics at times.
There was also an explicit mention of Krakoa's political capital relying on producing the longevity meds, another obvious fracture point if it fails. Will be interesting to see if any of the enemy nations try and use extreme measures like nukes or bio weapons and how that plays out. Also whether there is mutant espionage from those nations.
It's partially psychosomatic.
Child Scott "decided" but as he told Emma "clarity, it was a beautiful gift. But it'll go. And I don't want to wait for that."
I have always took that to mean there is more to it than just the...
Childhood trauma. Because the childhood trauma only explains a bit of it. He nearly died, yes. But he didn't, and he saved his younger brother.
I mean Xavier is a dick, but even he would have counseled Scott to help him gain control of powers.
Emma put him in the Black Bug Room and he came out with enough ability to control his powers for a few days, maybe a week.
There is still more to it than that.
Then again people at Marvel seem to hate when mutants gain control of there uncontrollable powers. *side eyes Rogue *
If he's already being so on-the-nose about this, it's all but certain that there is some kind of caveat to what we're seeing.
That's an interesting question that makes the whole resurrection thing more complicated. Would her groundhog day powers activate at the point of the first death, or would she be resurrected? Either ways there would be even more questions about the nature of the soul, the mind, and the husks.
I think it depends on how her powers work. Does reality reset when she dies or dies she created a new timeline with the old one still running after her death?
If the former, as soon as she is dead the reality resets and there will be no time to resuscitate her.
If the later, wouldn't it create multiple Moira and even more branching realities? It would be the same as if they clone her while she is still alive. Like a cross thing with Moira and Maddox.
So the way the mutants are being resurrected, they're just making copies aren't they? Identical copies with copies of their "souls" downloaded from Cerebro. Basically the same sprt of thing Iron Man does with a.i. How does that work in terms of the afterlife, which we know exists in the Marvel U? Is heaven and hell gonna end up with multiple copies of the same mutants?
Like I said somewhere Johnny Blaze, Valkyrie, all the other people in charge of afterlife are looking really confused right now
Maybe their souls are sucked back to the new bodies when everything is good to go?
Like a kind of magnetism.
That's probably the real answer to all this they souls go back
But it's funnier to think the afterlife getting real crowded
but then there how a lot of the infrodump surrounding this process seem to imply that duplicates can happen, so the heck will a soul do if there are two bodies that fit?
there can only be one?
The fact that there is concern about the danger of duplicates may indicate the "essence" being talked about is just the person's mind, not an immortal soul. So yeah if you create a string of new Scotts and they all die, it's a lotta ghost Scotts kicking around.
Or maybe it will get weirder than that. Perhaps the spirit gets pulled between multiple bodies and causes... problems.
Maybe higher powers are going to drop in and have a chat with Xavier about his little enterprise.
Or maybe it will get weirder than that. Perhaps the spirit gets pulled between multiple bodies and causes... problems.
Maybe higher powers are going to drop in and have a chat with Xavier about his little enterprise.
Death is used to people cheating her and still allows even if she could easily stop since she's death
I would say that the "soul magnetism" trick only works if the soul isn't bound to a body, and the death is fresh enough that it hasn't passed on to an afterlife. If there's already another version of someone running around, new soul. If the soul has passed on when the clone shows up, new soul.
Of course, this could have been corrected by having a magic user like Magik, Forge or Pixie as part of the ressurection pipeline.
And actually, former Valkyrie Dani Moonstar would also be a good fit for reclaiming souls.
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The last Scarlet Spider series seemed to indicate that a perfect clone keeps the original's soul if it is created after the original's death (if they're killed and brought back multiple times like that the soul itself is damaged though).
To be fair according to Death no one had died as much as Scarlet Spider because miles kept bringing him back and then killing all the time
So it has to be a lot for it to be a problem
Marvel has turned the X-men into a cult.
Yeah this is not to my liking and why I will stop with this book. I know characters aren't perfect but between and the cult behavior these are not the X-men i grew up reading. I'm disappointed.
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Uh, I mean clearly you are supposed to be creeped out by this and there's obviously something afoot here. They aren't portraying this as normal or positive.