Yeah, people shouldn't be held accountable for the things they say or do. It just isn't healthy, dammit.
Can you believe that some people propagate bigotry and others have the audacity to deny them a platform? How tyrannical!
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Jonathan Blow threatens to boycott conferences that "disinvite speaker[s] due to "cancel culture"-style pressure" [UPDATE: He's a COVID truther too]
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Yeah, people shouldn't be held accountable for the things they say or do. It just isn't healthy, dammit.
Can you believe that some people propagate bigotry and others have the audacity to deny them a platform? How tyrannical!
starts here - https://twitter.com/davejohnblack/status/1304898021491122177
So there you go you can be a sexist/racist/horrible person as long as you've done "high-quality work" you get a free pass and everyone has to put up with you.
So there you go you can be a sexist/racist/horrible person as long as you've done "high-quality work" you get a free pass and everyone has to put up with you.
Darn it, you're right, for too long have we as a species held people accountable for their actions. We need to cut that out right now.
Yeah, I'm a fan of strong personalities.
Kutaragi wasn't asshole as Blow is, but he definitely was waaaaaaay more arrogant^^
It would be cool to have a poll on Era about who will buy Blow's next game. I think he fucked himself very hard with these unpleasant statements.
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Do you believe Era would be a healthier place if sexism, racism, homophobia etc were all allowed, and no-one was ever banned?
Programmers who think code works like this are the absolute worst. This is literally false.
It was also Ubisoft's approach to their lead devs up until recently. So long as the games are good, nothing else matters. The ends justify the means.
I wonder if Blow realizes he's supporting Ubisoft's problematic culture with that opinion.
He isn't stupid; the issue is probably more a matter of his underlying values than what he thinks the results of his views are.
In order to even recognize Ubisoft's culture as problematic, you need to be able to recognize abuse as a significant issue. If you don't hold that as having any value, than you're free to frame employees bringing up the issue as the actual problem.
In the interview posted above, Blow pays some lip service to the issues that people are trying to address before immediately belittling them under claims of being "hyper-exaggerated". He's effectively saying that cancel culture is a problem because the underlying issues, things like bigotry and harassment, don't actually matter as much as other people are claiming they are.
If it's "painfully clear" what you're claiming, you should be able to easily provide examples of both the "people" and the "personal gain" in question.
cancel culture is important because it works. Its necessary to hold people and companies to a certain standard of social awareness and decency at the threat of hurting them where it hurts the most..their wallets. People should vote with their wallets, and not supporting people with shitty views is a great way to do that. Folks shouldnt worry about cancel culture if they have nothing to hide.
"cancel culture" isn't even a thing in my mind. it's just boycotting under a different name, something we've done for years. the act of not supporting a person, product or service that you don't agree with...which ironically is exactly what blow is doing by not appearing at events that disinvite speakers.
Cancel culture doesn't even exist. Its a meme propergated by the right to dismiss legitimate criticism against individuals.
Holding people accountable for their words and actions, and speaking up against hate, oppression, racism or misogyny, and taking your own consequences is not "cancel culture". It's common sense.
Individuals deciding on their own to stop listening to you, buying your products or stop giving their support is not 'cancel culture'. Your words and actions can affect negatively others, so when they give you their back is not 'cancel culture' is just people deciding you aren't worth their time and not giving you anymore a free pass for your actions.
When they harass you or bully you because of it, is not cancel culture is another entirely different issue and unrelated. And is usually done by alt-righter or gators.
When they harass you or bully you because of it, is not cancel culture is another entirely different issue and unrelated. And is usually done by alt-righter or gators.
User Banned (1 Month) Dismissing Legitimate Concern as “Politics”, account in junior phase
That's why i don't like politics mixed with creative works, even though it is something that in a lot of cases seems inevitable.
Blow clearly has a different approach to controversial things that don't fit my narrative, but he created Braid, which i enjoyed, and The Witness, which totally blew my mind off. So i'd like for him to keep dropping games like these two.
I don't care about his views in politics, gender, etc. I just want to play good games, and he delivers.
But, in this situation, he can do whathever he wants, if he doesn't want to go to events/conferences, that's his call, and we have no saying in the matter. But i have to give him that coercing authors in this called "cancel movements" is not the best approach.
Blow clearly has a different approach to controversial things that don't fit my narrative, but he created Braid, which i enjoyed, and The Witness, which totally blew my mind off. So i'd like for him to keep dropping games like these two.
I don't care about his views in politics, gender, etc. I just want to play good games, and he delivers.
But, in this situation, he can do whathever he wants, if he doesn't want to go to events/conferences, that's his call, and we have no saying in the matter. But i have to give him that coercing authors in this called "cancel movements" is not the best approach.
Which is hilarious considering their criticism of people like colin kaepernick. It's only cancel culture when it's conservatives being called out. These people who whine about cancel culture are hypocrites.
... Go on, I'm waiting on more than a name. I'll get the popcorn ready to read your riveting claim that Colin Kaepernick is doin this for himself. Or are you saying he's targeted?
Because there's a fucking gulf between a right wing shitback and Colin Kaepernick
I did miss the edit, thanks for pointing it out, I'm 100% saying Colin was targeted and not the other way around. The right is pretty much singularly responsible for "cancelling" people in the way they pretend the left do.
Don't be a baby.
Cancel Culture is just another name for 'karma' or 'just desserts' or 'consequences for your actions.' I for one think assholes should not be allowed to enjoy their lives, and get joy from making their time on this planet just a little more miserable.
I always loved this completely unprompted synopsis of Braid from Soulja Boy because it's just so silly, but as time has has gone on and Blow shows more of who he truly is, my love & appreciation grows because I know how much the video gets under his skin.
I would 100% play a game called Vaguely Philosophical Sudoku.
Sounds like it would be something like Getting Over It with Bennet Foddy
So nothing else matters so long as you enjoyed a video game?
Listen, if the person that wrote the book tells me I'm too inferior to understand it I'm 100% not going to buy anything from that person ever. I don't care how amazingly the book is written, if the author is a piece of crap and basically hates who I, and many other programmers, are why the fuck would I read them.
The mask slips and another true scumbag is revealed. He can keep his trash games to himself, I don't care how many years pass either.
Not that you aren't free to keep using his books or enjoying his games but I have to guess that, as talented as Jonathan is, he's not the only skilled programmer out there with good programming books. I'm sure his books are good, but I'm also sure there are plenty of good books that people can easily access so they don't have to compromise between supporting the asshole dude and using a good programming book if they don't want to.
Sorry, get ya now -- yeah, there's a huge difference and he's absolutely a victim of racism disguised as a "cancel culture".