This is all true. Not saying it's anything new, but we are at a place right now where incels already feel emboldened and go on shooting sprees.
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JOKER - Review Thread "RT (88%|9.02/10)“
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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This is all true. Not saying it's anything new, but we are at a place right now where incels already feel emboldened and go on shooting sprees.
If movies can influence people like some are claiming here, then games can too, and the same standard should be applied there.
if they are emboldened to go on a shooting spree because of a movie and they're probably going to go on a shooting spree for really anything else.
Personally speaking, it's one of the reason I prefer their media over Marvel.
Marvel is fairly consistent, you tend to know what you're getting into. DC is like... riding a rollercoaster drunk, it may turn out well, you may throw up on yourself, but you're in for a wild ride.
Yes I'm so happy the movie is getting great reviews tho the early embargo definitely hinted at WB being confident in it.
Kinda like Tyler Durden from Fight Club and how people didn't understand the character at all and thought he's somehow someone you should strive to be.
Having said that, I don't think these movies should be censored in any way just because some people are unable to understand the meaning behind them.
Wow...if it's really that good then kudos to everyone involved. I'll be going to see this for sure.
True. I always held out some hope for this movie just because he was in it.
Same. Their highs are so much higher than Marvel. But yeah, those lows.
That's certainly one way to take it. I'm curious why there is such a concern for this movie? We've had movies and tv shows that delve into these topics. It's not something inherently new, people will always take what they like and ignore the point.
Tbh youre not wrong....on some level. However how many games out there put you in the shoes of the villain and try to make you sympathize with them?
Good to hear it's getting solid reviews. Shame it's not a DC Universe movie (which really could do with a movie like this) and is just a stand alone film but I'm still looking forward to seeing it.
Incels are being emboldened by actual white supremacists, mysogonists, nationalists, the fucking President, ect...that have a very captive audience day in and day out to preach to. We are long past the point of a misunderstood comic book movie character ranking up there when the real danger is young men being brainwashed by people all over YouTube and twitch and twitter with real agendas. Since the moment the initial Joker teaser hit, its has felt like concern trolling to be honest.
I mean....that's kinda the argument against Grand Theft Auto, right?
We shouldn't require media to conform to some standard where nobody can misunderstand it. That just dumbs down everything.
Pouring one out for Jared Leto.
Aside from being a shitty Joker, now he's sandwiched in between Ledger's Joker and Pheonix's Joker.
Aside from being a shitty Joker, now he's sandwiched in between Ledger's Joker and Pheonix's Joker.
I always had faith and called an Oscar nomination after the first teased. Jaoquin is one the the greats. Very interested to see where Todd Phillips goes from here as well.
Also getting flashbacks of people blaming games and Marilyn Manson for bad shit. It's fucking ridiculous.
Also getting flashbacks of people blaming games and Marilyn Manson for bad shit. It's fucking ridiculous.
He seems to like to the movie, but is worried about the problematic aspects it supports. He believes it aids incel's in their beliefs and narrative.
I can totally see that with what we know about the movie. While I love anti-hero stories, they do deserve to be critiqued for enabling toxic ideology. The number of people I know who understand that you're not supposed to be agreeing with the heroes. With Fight Club and A Clockwork Orange, it's absolutely bonkers how "fans" just completely whiz pass the point. He seems to want to have a discussion around why this sort of media shouldn't escape this type criticism. The author's intent doesn't matter when a piece of media pushes a toxic narrative that it fails to address correctly.
Whether it's console makers or movie makers, there must always exist those who will cape on their behalf.
So does media inspire real life violence or not? Used to be the left mocked out of touch old politicians who blamed videogames and heavy metal for school shootings. But now this movie is going to destroy the world? Pick one, it can't be both.
Say this movie does inspire some alt-right lowlives to shoot up a school. It probably will. Should we blame the movie? The director? Or should we blame a broken world where mental health isn't taken seriously?
Say this movie does inspire some alt-right lowlives to shoot up a school. It probably will. Should we blame the movie? The director? Or should we blame a broken world where mental health isn't taken seriously?
I'd like to request to full servings of crow for myself. Thank you.
I really did think the movie would turn out to be a disjointed, "we live in a society" mess. It seems I was wrong and I'll actually have to go to the theater to see this one.
I really did think the movie would turn out to be a disjointed, "we live in a society" mess. It seems I was wrong and I'll actually have to go to the theater to see this one.
Because this film seems to so strongly directly relate to that modern internet conservative and alt-right messaging with that nihilistic clown world nonsense that you see on hate sites that are traced to so many of these mass killers.
You're not wrong in terms of real-world danger of what is actually occurring. And I'm not saying this movie shouldn't exist or be censored in any way, shape, or form due to how people may choose to interpret in. I just think there will be a larger, more vocal crowd this time that chooses to latch onto this and claim, "THIS MOVIE UNDERSTANDS ME!" than some in the past.
I think that criticism is kind of dumb to be honest with you. There will always be dumb people who'll take meaning of movies wrong. to place the blame on the movie itself for you the dumbness of people is just dumb