They're like different characters to be honest. Phoenix's is a wonderfully acted pathectic pyscho, Ledger's is like the devil, an out of context villian tempting people and quite funny. I prefer Ledger's who was like a more grunge scarier reinterpretion and I guess that's why modern jokers have been so edgy, but I wouldn't mind if they do a back to basics and funnier version.
i wouldn't say dark knight was more subtle, it was pretty in your face
I don't find joker particularly smart, it just seems like a contemporary horror movie or serial killer movie with some cheeky presentation.
More subtle than this movie was.
I was saying the Dark Knight is a smarter movie
I really hope so.
"We'll hunt him because he can take it, because he's not our hero he's a silent guardian a watchful protector a dark knight". There was not a single theme in that film that was not explicitly spelled out to you.
I know, i was pointing to another part that they decided to lampshade the meaning behind the title of the film. Really made sure not a single person left without knowing explicitly every single them that was explored.
Call me when DC has the balls to make a solo Lois Lane movie. Making a Joker movie was always a safe bet no matter how it was gonna be made.
Y'all got mad when Sony says it wants to make an Aunt May movie but now we're pitching Lois Lane movies?
Lois Lane has had solo adventures in comics. It's not hard to imagine a solo movie filmed like Spotlight.
I'm game for it. Superman's got a cool universe, there just hasn't been a good movie since Donner.
End game is a piece of shit non movie, literally worse than Hitler that makes people dumber with each passing second of watching it.
Still more subtle than Joker, which beats you over the head with the themes it wants to purvey, and then actually forgets to do anything meaningful with it.
The Dark Knight isn't remotely subtle in its theming. People quote its theming all the time. Almost every principal character is allowed to monologue at length their personal motivations and conclusions about the tone of the film with constant reminders that the Joker's true power was to rip morals out of a story and do things because he wanted the world to burn, a phrase stated out loud in a room with two people in it halfway through the film. The finale is Gary Oldman delivering yet another moral of the story. TDK is a sterling example of "tell, don't show" in filmmaking.
So does all other movies and games that glorifies killers. I dont see you posting about them though
Arguably nothing borne of a comic book is going to feature subtle theming. Existing familiarity with the characters plus the fact that comic books almost always let you read minds means you don't have to puzzle out what anything means. The ceiling is low here so a competition to be more 'subtle' is not a great qualitative yardstick for this genre.
Quibble over the use of the word subtlety all you like, the bottom line is the Dark Knight is a more thematically rich film than Joker
What exactly would it have competed with in any other month? All the attention was based on the character and the raves for the actor in that role, so I don't think this film would have had many issues doing really well in any month.
