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Don´t be an asshole attacking minorities and you´ll be fine
Or attack them and get a netflix special and you´ll be fine
horrible eggshells they have to walk
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Joker´s Director Blames Woke Culture for the Death of Comedy
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Or attack them and get a netflix special and you´ll be fine
horrible eggshells they have to walk
Yeah fuck this guy. He's an absolute moron. I defended the movie simply because I dont want liberals to start blaming entertainment for real world violence but this guy really needs to shut up. I mean he can say what he wants but there are consequences to those words.
Comedy doesn't die, but it can date, for sure, but even then, it can be timeless too.
Ghostbusters is still funny. Revenge of the Nerds is not. That's just the way it goes.
Don't do dated comedy. Problem solved.
Ghostbusters is still funny. Revenge of the Nerds is not. That's just the way it goes.
Don't do dated comedy. Problem solved.
It was his latest special and yeah, some of his jokes are debatable, but all in all I still think it was a good special.
If you literally can't think of a way to make someone laugh other than deprecating marginalized people, then you're probably not a very good comedian.
It ain't even a difficult fucking thing to acknowledge
It ain't even unheard of for the acknowledging to happen. Eddie Murphy apologized last week for his ignorance and offensive jokes that he made in 30 year old comedy specials because he re-watched them and realized how potentially harmful they were
He has directed some of my favorite comedies, Old School among my all time favorite movies. I hope he continues to make more.
I was skeptical of how the take on the movie was here on ERA and similar places...But yeah, this dude can get ******. And so can his movie.
When did I say any of that is okay? I said "to a certain extent" for a reason. There are multitudes of levels of humor in between clean stuff and gay bashing/using slurs. I'm not okay with that stuff.
You don't have to walk on eggshells to do comedy. Frankly you can just make fun of the rich by skewering them as awful people with unconscionable hobbies and not only would people laugh they're at the point where they'd probably believe it's actually true.
I'll skip the long of it and just get right to the punchline
"I see. And what do you call this act?"
"The Trump presidency!"
I'll skip the long of it and just get right to the punchline
"I see. And what do you call this act?"
"The Trump presidency!"
Yikes. Even with all the mess, this movie was going to be a black hole of controversy and infamy that distract from its quality. But the director is running the risk of crushing it into a really stupid place.
Again, Dear Hollywood. You need a Guy. I can be your Guy to thread the needle on tricky subjects. Half the people in this thread could do this in their sleep. Here you go Joker director, a proper response.
"I admit I've been surprised by some of the controversy around this film - I think our vision was clear - to tell a story about a sad man pushed into a bad place and how that trauma transforms him into one of media's most memorable figures. We're not trying to lionize him - on the contrary if you watch this movie you'll definitely see how a "legend" is born, but not all legends are noble or good and if there's a lesson in this story, it's that human frailty and human rage are only ever one moment apart. I remember reading articles about Taxi Driver when it released and while I'm not comparing my film to that classic, there's some similarities in how the narrative can spread outside of the confines of the film. I hope that people see it for what it is and not what shape people want it to fit."
That one's on the house. Maroons.
Again, Dear Hollywood. You need a Guy. I can be your Guy to thread the needle on tricky subjects. Half the people in this thread could do this in their sleep. Here you go Joker director, a proper response.
"I admit I've been surprised by some of the controversy around this film - I think our vision was clear - to tell a story about a sad man pushed into a bad place and how that trauma transforms him into one of media's most memorable figures. We're not trying to lionize him - on the contrary if you watch this movie you'll definitely see how a "legend" is born, but not all legends are noble or good and if there's a lesson in this story, it's that human frailty and human rage are only ever one moment apart. I remember reading articles about Taxi Driver when it released and while I'm not comparing my film to that classic, there's some similarities in how the narrative can spread outside of the confines of the film. I hope that people see it for what it is and not what shape people want it to fit."
That one's on the house. Maroons.
This whole thing just reminds me of this excellent article about Cancel Culture and why it doesn't fucking exist https://newrepublic.com/article/155141/cancel-culture-con-dave-chappelle-shane-gillis
tl;dr famous people who get "canceled" 99 times out of 100 do juuuuust fine
tl;dr famous people who get "canceled" 99 times out of 100 do juuuuust fine
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there´s no extent where he´s right in a world that Louis CK had a comeback
Sorry but if you can't find a way to make jokes and not offend people you lack both humor and creativity.
the greatest trick the joker ever pulled was convincing the world that comedy itself was a little... fucked up
This was apparent just from seeing what happened with Louis CK. He basically got a vacation and a new audience demographic out of it
this is like the assholes that are so worried about being around women because of metoo. the solutions to their problems are INCREDIBLY EASY and yet they still cry about it.
simple as that. and honestly, for the most part, they still can be. because they are. and wont change.
I mean, okay but I don't know what that has to do with his statement
It's why I said in brackets "i think". My first reaction was that Bill Burr would agree but when I really thought about it, he pushes boundaries but to my knowledge hasn't crossed any lines and I don't see massive manifestos against his comedy
I listen to hours of podcasts every week that are mostly comedy and somehow they manage to be both funny and not racist, sexist or homophobic.
Comedy does not mean you have to be shitty to people.
Comedy does not mean you have to be shitty to people.
I'm talking about the part of comedians being scared of "woke culture". I find it believeable, Whether or not it's justified, eh it depends. What Dave did was he used it to his advantage and everyone fell for it.
Eh, Fleabag season 2 pretty recently came out. Fleabag is among the best comedies of all time, so I think I have to disagree with this take. This isn't the first time I've heard this claim, but so far I haven't noticed a notable dip in quality of comedy. Maybe "woke culture" could be the death of shitty comedy? I wouldn't mind that, but internet atleast makes sure that shitty "comedy" will never die either.
Edit: Lol right, he did Hangover movies. I'd describe those as death of comedy too.
Edit: Lol right, he did Hangover movies. I'd describe those as death of comedy too.
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It's a passive agreement to avoid confrontation.
I'm still unnerved by the unconditional defending people have been doing towards this movie. Half the responses in the thread about them disinviting the press were 'Can you blame them?'.
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Comedians just need to get better jokes that work with modern audiences. It's true that today's woke culture has killed a lot of jokes that previously worked, but that's a good thing and is not a new phenomenon. Many overtly racist, sexist, and homophobic jokes have been killed over the years because of changing attitudes and opinions of the audience. Any comedian who whines about this shit is just lazy and doesn't want to have to change with the times they live in.
Comedy isnt dead. In fact, the comedy coming out recently is some of the best its ever been. Talk to any good comedian and they will tell you we are currently in a comedy boom with a whole new wave of amazing people.
People like Segura, Kreischer, Burr, Distefano, Cummings, Glaser... so many amazing acts right now.
Yes, cheap shitty punch down comedy is dying (for good reason), but just because the shitty easy jokes arent acceptable any more does not mean that comedy is dead. In fact, it just means that the best comedians are rising to the top because talent is outshining idiot edgelord comedians.
People like Segura, Kreischer, Burr, Distefano, Cummings, Glaser... so many amazing acts right now.
Yes, cheap shitty punch down comedy is dying (for good reason), but just because the shitty easy jokes arent acceptable any more does not mean that comedy is dead. In fact, it just means that the best comedians are rising to the top because talent is outshining idiot edgelord comedians.
yeah. no serious person is actually demanding Chappelle or Burr to be completely ruined financially or anything like that, they just gotta learn to take more criticism if they say something tasteless or hurtful.
deal with it, comedians? go buy a new house or a boat or something if you're feeling bad.
Debatable? Dude his special had a huge ass portion of this in it.
there's nothing debatable about it. It was trash.
"He's being hyperbolic, for sure. Anyway, here's some hyperbole!"
joker's trick
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People today are too sensitive. Nowadays when you try to blow up a hospital, people get mad at you. It's really killing comedy.
@jokers_trick
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People today are too sensitive. Nowadays when you try to blow up a hospital, people get mad at you. It's really killing comedy.
still need to see his newest one but yeah, having seen him live talking about #metoo and such - this post is totally true. im sure if i heard him on a podcast or something he'd totally cogsin some of this, and then get on stage and kinda prove why it isnt.
which is why i enjoy dude so much these days, and kinda treat chapelle like he should be put out to pasture