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JoJo-ERA, it's time to settle this: The World vs King Crimson. Who wins?
- Thread starter Sargerus
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Probalby is, there is a JoJo Event on April 4th called Joestar: Inherited Soul
There's an event coming up in I think April where it's expected that an anime for part 6: Stone ocean will be announced.
I'm not an animator Andy, but some of those main characters stands in Part 6 seem to me like they'll be a nightmare to animate
They can probably make do. Part 7 with all the focus on horse riding is going to be a much bigger task, that they'll probably have to end up relying on CG for.
This is a bit tricky, and also dependent on the user of The World, because the right user can time stop for longer than 10 seconds, and if the time stop is triggered before the time skip is triggered, King Crimson's user is automatically up shit creek without a paddle. And even then, as broken as King Crimson's power is, it can't be used offensively when active, it's best used when responding to an incoming attack and moving in place to counter.
Now, if the fight was explicitly between Dio and Diavolo, Dio would win. Diavolo is excellent at surprise attacks, but unless he knows how to fight a vampire, he'll end up wasting his surprise move by making a hole in Dio's torso, and Dio would then proceed to wreck his shit before sucking his blood to regenerate.
Now, if the fight was explicitly between Dio and Diavolo, Dio would win. Diavolo is excellent at surprise attacks, but unless he knows how to fight a vampire, he'll end up wasting his surprise move by making a hole in Dio's torso, and Dio would then proceed to wreck his shit before sucking his blood to regenerate.
Thank you!
I'll keep watching, hopefully it will grow on me!
That's actually one of the main reasons people say King Crimson doesn't make sense. In some scenes it's portrayed as still needing to dodge or even interacting with objects during skipped time (the later mainly in scenes that are outright skipped, with the viewer only getting the aftermatch, like when he faced Narancia), but in others it's even a plot point that it can't interact with the world during skipped time.
Either way, I assume Stopped Time would just seem like teleportation/burst of super speed from King Crimson's point of view. I don't think King Crimson interacting with the world or not would change anything in this case.
But if King Crimson can still interact with the outside world, and as a consequence people can still interact with him given why Diavolo needs to dodge certain stuff, wouldn't The World using its ability appear as quick or instantaneous movement that Diavolo might *not* be able to respond and react to? If he was unaffected, then a lot of things would be moot if he was essentially invisible in erased time, but this does not seem to be the case more often than not.
GER's deal is an entirely different situation, but it did punch the shit out of Diavolo even in the middle of him trying to erase time.
Yes he was.
Joespeh's relentless determination and trickery was bolstered by a spot of luck, but he still manufactured the moment that allowed that luck to launch Kars into space. In part through his sheer will, in part due to Kars' hubris.
That's the point, even of there's a character who has all the power, they can still be beaten.
Fights don't happen in vacuum, and many of the characters mentioned here could find a way to defeat an opponent like Kars by exploiting the weakness of their Hubris even if they are much more powerful.
Trying to strip all of this away is pointless, the entire point is that Kars was technically unbeatable, but he wasn't infallible.
Diavolo still would have Epitaph, so he'd see the aftermath of Dio's time stop and then could just move out of the way. Dio then would act like he originally intended to, but would hit nothing.
Now, if you go with King Crimson being able to interact physically during time skip, then Dio could set up traps like using time stop to throw a bunch of rocks at once without leaving space for Diavolo to dodge, but at the same time it would allow Diavolo to easily attack Dio if he got close. If King Crimson can't interact with anything during the time skip, then Diavolo would surpise Dio with time skip once early in the battle but he'd likely survive due to vampire powers and then it would come down to whether King Crimson can punch faster than Dio can activate Time Stop again.
Considering KQ destroys without a trace, and DIO doesn't seem to heal as fast (and requires blood) as Crazy Diamond can heal, i think he'd be fucked.
Of course thats only without using The World because we saw how much Jotaro wrecked Kira.
Like folks said, it depends on how the stands interact. My gut feeling is that King Crimson would be able to see actions within the time stopped and since it is a full 10 seconds versus 8 seconds from The World, he could react in a way that would give Diavolo the edge.
That said, this is all conjecture. The battle could go either way given both characters are OP and this is Jojo
That said, this is all conjecture. The battle could go either way given both characters are OP and this is Jojo
I feel like King Crimson's never really limit-tested the way The World/Star Platinum is? Like, we know the exact range of The World, we know more or less how long it can last, and that it has some form of "cooldown" where the user has to "recharge" their time-stop "timer" before using it again.
King Crimson... it's probably noted in the Stand info page interstitials, but those limits aren't really apparent in actual use. I'm assuming it's short-range and I've heard 10 seconds thrown around as a timer, but how often can it be used? It honestly seems like he can just pop it off right after using it repeatedly, which is probably the ultimate decider here.
Basically, Epitaph foresees Dio will stop time, King Crimson erases the period of stopped time. There's now an opening where Dio can't immediately re-freeze time but King Crimson could potentially activate again, or even still be active, but it's hard to say based on not actually knowing that much about the limits.
King Crimson... it's probably noted in the Stand info page interstitials, but those limits aren't really apparent in actual use. I'm assuming it's short-range and I've heard 10 seconds thrown around as a timer, but how often can it be used? It honestly seems like he can just pop it off right after using it repeatedly, which is probably the ultimate decider here.
Basically, Epitaph foresees Dio will stop time, King Crimson erases the period of stopped time. There's now an opening where Dio can't immediately re-freeze time but King Crimson could potentially activate again, or even still be active, but it's hard to say based on not actually knowing that much about the limits.
Dio: Oh, so your stand is just like the World?
Diavolo: What, no, it's nothing li-!
Dio: Too late!
King Gold the World appears
Diavolo: What, no, it's nothing li-!
Dio: Too late!
King Gold the World appears
It's a bit of a depends how you write it more than anything, because both powers are either the perfect counter or just null each other if triggered first.
I forget, can KC actually attack in the erased time? Because the World can in frozen time right? Or at least basically attack to where you are already dead.
I forget, can KC actually attack in the erased time? Because the World can in frozen time right? Or at least basically attack to where you are already dead.
It comes down to if Epitaph can see what happens when DIO stops time & if King Crimson can negate said stopped time. If so, then Diavolo has a chance. But given that Polnareff almost killed Diavolo with a well-timed Silver Chariot slash right after time was skipped, I'd imagine that DIO would be equally clever about countering King Crimson. So I'm gonna go with DIO on this one.