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Definitely agree. I think it's very interesting how they worded that tweet thread, how impartial it is. They aren't taking sides here, and that's good. I see that tweet thread as an admission of that yes, men can be victims of DV too. What they don't say here is almost more interesting than what they do say there.
I mean Depp hasnt cooped MeToo in this trial only Heard has...
I don't think that neither Depp or anyone close to his circle did that. But we would be naive to disagree that there is a narrative war going on social media about this, one that alt right nutjobs will happily signal boost and try to use to their own ends.
I don't see that tweet thread as an endorsement to Heard's camp. That is they saying that the #MeToo movement is bigger than this trial, and I think it's very interesting and telling how they particularly call out claims that say that this represents the end of #MeToo, and that's what that the NY Times op-ed claimed weeks ago. I think they are right, #MeToo represents something bigger and more important than that. It's a very sober statement, I think.
To be fair-ish, it's probably because the Right does this and are so effective at it, so the left thinks it needs to be just as tunnel-visioned and scummy.
Yes. Without #MeToo, I'm not even sure that someone like Depp could finally come out as a victim of DV and be believed. He stated to Amber that he was a victim of domestic abuse six years ago, but it takes a lot of courage to not just open yourself to admit that, let alone to tell the world. It wasn't #MeToo that ruined Depp's life, it wasn't #MeToo that abused him. It was Amber, she isn't the poster child of the movement, regardless how much she wants to.
Nah.
Well, the left isn't a monolith and I think there are a few different types that would side with Heard despite all the evidence. One being more academic in justification of their ideological brain fog, and one being dumb as rocks but "picked a side" and are sticking to it with utter righteousness (often uncritical followers of the former).
Yup. Amber claims there were more (like the air hostess) but wasn't able to bring witnesses.
I think this is very sober tweet thread made by the #MeToo official Twitter account:
Whatever happens with this trial, claiming that this is "the end of #MeToo" is bullshit. I think the circus surrounding 'TeamDepp' and 'TeamHeard' is bullshit, and the replies to that thread I think reinforce that. What this thread doesn't do is take either Depp's or Heard's side on this, and that's an wise stance to have at this point, what the #MeToo movement represents is way bigger than this case, and people trying to co-opt narratives around this, either at the NY Times or alt right assholes are both wrong in my opinion. I still maintain that one of the most interesting think pieces surrounding this case came from The New Republic weeks ago, regardless how some might disagree:
Stop Trying to Extract Larger Lessons From the Amber Heard–Johnny Depp Trial
The celebrity pair’s sad and sordid relationship isn’t a unified field theorem that explains contemporary politics.
And I say this as someone that after following this trial closely for six weeks, I am convinced that Depp was the victim of domestic abuse by Heard, regardless if the jury rule on his favor or not. Trying to make this the end all be all against the awakening that the #MeToo represented is a wrong take, and I see this case as a new wrinkle on that. I doubt that ten years ago someone like Depp could even understand himself as someone that could possibly be victim of domestic abuse, and yet here we are.
The problem is a lot of "sane" people are saying otherwise so you have to wonder why/how we're at that point.
Then they aren't sane. It's as simple as that.
What's upsetting is that this is pretty much what Dr Hughes said. Trying to imply women can't be a threat to men, as if a bottle is somehow less dangerous because it was thrown by a woman.
I think this is very sober tweet thread made by the #MeToo official Twitter account:
Whatever happens with this trial, claiming that this is "the end of #MeToo" is bullshit. I think the circus surrounding 'TeamDepp' and 'TeamHeard' is bullshit, and the replies to that thread I think reinforce that. What this thread doesn't do is take either Depp's or Heard's side on this, and that's an wise stance to have at this point, what the #MeToo movement represents is way bigger than this case, and people trying to co-opt narratives around this, either at the NY Times or alt right assholes are both wrong in my opinion. I still maintain that one of the most interesting think pieces surrounding this case came from The New Republic weeks ago, regardless how some might disagree:
Stop Trying to Extract Larger Lessons From the Amber Heard–Johnny Depp Trial
The celebrity pair’s sad and sordid relationship isn’t a unified field theorem that explains contemporary politics.
And I say this as someone that after following this trial closely for six weeks, I am convinced that Depp was the victim of domestic abuse by Heard, regardless if the jury rule on his favor or not. Trying to make this the end all be all against the awakening that the #MeToo represented is a wrong take, and I see this case as a new wrinkle on that. I doubt that ten years ago someone like Depp could even understand himself as someone that could possibly be victim of domestic abuse, and yet here we are.
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I'd cautious against broad statements of calling people crazy for believing Heard, and I say this as someone that doesn't like to talk about their own personal experiences with abuse and that came to believe Depp is a survivor of domestic abuse during this trial. I understand how cathartic it can be for men that are abuse survivors to watch this whole thing to unfold, but trying to remember to not take it so personally it's good not just for our own mental health, but particularly for Johnny Depp as a survivor of domestic abuse himself.
I was looking at their posts, and most of the content has received very little support, the number of likes and retweets is very low, and they keep up a continuous work to help the victims. They are very active, not only on Twitter but organizing events and bringing people together to have debates.
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Now I understand the tweet. Where were those people who are worried about the end of metoo due to the trial when the movement was doing its job?
When was the last time an influencer or journalist interviewed members of the organization? From the tweet it is clear that there is no sincere interest.
They're off for the weekend and also Monday since it's a holiday. They'll resume on Tuesday.
so do they literally sit in a hotel room with no internet, tv etc? just read a book I guess?
From what I read, they're not doing the whole confined to a hotel thing for this. I'm pretty sure they're all free to go home.
Ha ha, if people could do that, quite a lot of our social tension would evaporate instantly.
This is among the most amazing things to come out of this trial.
JD has supporters from everywhere
This trial is really something else
That's one of the issues of modern politics imo. People are very willing to engage in politics on surface level, but refuse to apply any critical thinking. They see a side they like to belong to and make that part of their identity. Because these people are lazy and have no desire to think for themselves they gravitate to bitesized ideas and over simplified slogans. And when those initial ideas are challenged, or are placed in a more nuanced situation, they can't get passed this idea they've repeated over and over again like it's gospel because, again, they don't apply any critical thinking.
I was looking at their posts, and most of the content has received very little support, the number of likes and retweets is very low, and they keep up a continuous work to help the victims. They are very active, not only on Twitter but organizing events and bringing people together to have debates.
Homepage - Me Too Movement
Your healing journey continues here… Survivor’s Sanctuary Welcome to Survivor’s Sanctuary. This self guided healing platform was created to aid survivors in their healing journeys. You are invited to explore … Homepage Read More »
Now I understand the tweet. Where were those people who are worried about the end of metoo due to the trial when the movement was doing its job?
When was the last time an influencer or journalist interviewed members of the organization? From the tweet it is clear that there is no sincere interest.
