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Johnny Depp alleges that he was abused by his ex wife, Amber Heard. (See Staff Post)

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Sorry if this topic has already been done. I did a search and found one from March but it was locked as there was no reputable source.

Well now we have it. According to the BBC Johnny Depp said:

"She was the perpetrator, and I was the victim. While mixing prescription amphetamines and non-prescription drugs with alcohol, Ms Heard committed innumerable acts of domestic violence against me, often in the presence of a third-party witness, which in some instances caused me serious bodily harm."
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I don't know how to feel about this. My initial reaction was to scoff and think of him as making a petty "no u" argument but until this has been resolved I think no matter how unlikely, this is a serious allegation that he has made and it is going to complicate the situation further.
 
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By all accounts there's reason to believe either one of them, leaning slightly more towards Amber being more guilty than there was last year when all evidence suggested Depp was the only aggressor.

Certainly, this is one of those rare cases were we have to wait it out to know who was really the abuser and who wasn't.

I could say it was definetly Amber but I've only seen the evidence that was public and it doesn't suggest that for definite either. She may very well be entirely innocent. Or not
 
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Were there not pics of injuries in the previous thread?
They are both toxic by the sounds of it and substance abuse does not help!
 
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I will warn that if you decide to look more into this becareful and cautious with the picture of what happened to his finger/hand it is NOT for the faint of heart.
 
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I believe him. And I believe her. It's very possible for two people in a relationship to be at fault. Why would you scoff at any victims account of abuse? That's fucked up.
 
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"My initial reaction was to scoff."

Disgusting reaction. This kind of ridicule is why male victims of domestic abuse are ashamed of going to the cops
 
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It seems like they both fucked each other up. I don't really have much an opinion beyond that.

Except I hope his finger works now
 
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I can believe it. I remember Doug Stanhope talking about how he witnessed her assaulting him.
 
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dude needs more wine money apparently.
 
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This seems like another pathetic attempt to save his ass. Check out the Rolling Stone profile (probably he expected that this would work too): https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/

Don't do drugs guys.

It could work better to publicly and honestly admit that he made some severe mistakes, and get into a rehab.

This whole story is really quite disappointing for a former fan of his movie choices.
 
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Wait for the lawsuit to happen.

There's a lot of things Depp wasn't allowed to disclose publicly, and that's why so many people still defended him even after the terrible allegations.

Just wait before judging. That's the one case where you should wait. All his former partners came out to defend him too so that wasn't a "serial abuser" case, and as for the recent "scandal" you heard on set, that was also bullshit and he was defended by his co workers.
(That he had so called "punched" some guy, turns out he was defending a homeless woman that was treated horribly by the person that rented the set and he stood in)
 

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Man, this sounds like a terrible marriage all around.

If Depp is telling the truth, I hope he can recover from the kind of psychological trauma something like this would obviously leave.
 
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akasha said:
This seems like another pathetic attempt to save his ass. Check out the Rolling Stone profile (probably he expected that this would work too): https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/

Don't do drugs guys.

It could work better to publicly and honestly admit that he made some severe mistakes, and get into a rehab.

This whole story is really quite disappointing for a former fan of his movie choices.
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You should look into the evidence he sent, like how his thumb was cut.

It is not a clear cut case.
 
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Col.IndianaLongnuts said:
Heard was arrested for domestic violence before so I'm riding with depp on this one
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Arrested and actually convicted are two different things

Also somebody's past doesn't mean anything. If she *happened* to *abuse* a past partner doesn't mean she deserves to be abused.

akasha said:
This seems like another pathetic attempt to save his ass. Check out the Rolling Stone profile (probably he expected that this would work too): https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/

Don't do drugs guys.

It could work better to publicly and honestly admit that he made some severe mistakes, and get into a rehab.

This whole story is really quite disappointing for a former fan of his movie choices.
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Yeah he's a piece of shit drunk who needs help immediately
 
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I just hope the Justice system can properly sort the truth from fiction here because I don't know what to think.
 
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fanboi said:
You should look into the evidence he sent, like how his thumb was cut.
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Probably from a wine glass or bottle of wine smashed on the table.

The domestic abuse photos of Heard were more telling than anything he has said so far. And I'm by no means a fan of her, I used to be a fan of Depp.

Just read the Rolling Stone profile in full, it told me a lot about his current state of mind. I hope he will realize that himself.
 
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Sometimes people are toxic when around one another. I'm willing to believe both were shitty to one another.
 
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Detective Loki said:
Arrested and actually convicted are two different things

Also somebody's past doesn't mean anything. If she *happened* to *abuse* a past partner doesn't mean she deserves to be abused.
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It does mean something though. Like if you have a history of abusing a spouse, I would say you have an easier time doing it again.

Of course, if she wasn't convicted, then it should not be hold against her.
 

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fanboi said:
It does mean something though. Like if you have a history of abusing a spouse, I would say you have an easier time doing it again.

Of course, if she wasn't convicted, then it should not be hold against her.
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Yeah her "abuse" past is bullshit but the MRA will eat it up when it comes to her and Depp

https://www.etonline.com/news/19060...e_speaks_out_on_domestic_violence_arrest_2009

Amber Heard's ex-girlfriend, photographer Tasya van Ree, is defending the actress when it comes to Heard's arrest in 2009 on a charge of misdemeanor domestic violence.

"In 2009, Amber was wrongfully accused for an incident that was misinterpreted and over-sensationalized by two individuals in a power position," van Ree said in a statement on Wednesday. "I recount hints of misogynistic attitudes toward us which later appeared to be homophobic when they found out we were domestic partners and not just 'friends.'"
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"Charges were quickly dropped and she was released moments later," she continues. "It's disheartening that Amber's integrity and story are being questioned yet again. Amber is a brilliant, honest and beautiful woman and I have the utmost respect for her. We shared five wonderful years together and remain close to this day."
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akasha said:
Probably from a wine glass or bottle of wine smashed on the table.

The domestic abuse photos of Heard were more telling than anything he has said so far. And I'm by no means a fan of her, I used to be a fan of Depp.

Just read the Rolling Stone profile in full, it told me a lot about his current state of mind. I hope he will realize that himself.
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I have a hard time believing that, since he cut his whole tip off... theoretically possible but unlikley imo.
 
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Once more, the RS profile: https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/

Get a decent cup of coffee / tea and go through the thing. It told me everything I needed to know.

And this interview was clearly set up because they (managers? himself?) believed it would fix his public perception - he has lost some roles=money due to these incidents. Well, this didn't exactly work out.

And, btw, few people have been talking about the fact that this started as an affair with the 23 year old younger girl, and that he left his family and teenage children for that. Which is pathetic too (in this case indeed two people are to blame - karma coming back to both?).
 
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Yep. Feel bad for Depp if this is all true. Everyone was shitting him. Especially here.
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1) she does not have a history
2) She doing shit things to him does not mean he didn't do shit things to her.
3) Depp's wikipedia page has subsections dedicated to substance abuse and legal problems... people (including me) don't need domestic abuse to shit on him.
 
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Platy said:
1) she does not have a history
2) She doing shit things to him does not mean he didn't do shit things to her.
3) Depp's wikipedia page has subsections dedicated to substance abuse and legal problems... people (including me) don't need domestic abuse to shit on him.
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1.) She does have a history of being a domestic abuser
2.) So far there's allegedly a lot more evidence of her abusing him then the other way around
3.) Having substance abuse problem doesn't mean you deserve a abusive marriage
 
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I feel bad in general for just kinda jumping onto the knee-jerk reaction of "Depp abused her!" but, y'know, Imma wait and see on this one. This whole situation is insanely messy.
 
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Winter-John said:
"My initial reaction was to scoff."

Disgusting reaction. This kind of ridicule is why male victims of domestic abuse are ashamed of going to the cops
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My initial reaction had nothing to do with genders, it would have been the same had their positions of been reversed. I am sorry you took it to be that I was laughing at male abuse and I will try to be clearer in the future. The reason why I initially doubted the story was because it is known that sometimes people will make counter abuse claims to defend themselves.

Prosecutors may often be presented with conflicting accounts of the incident, with each party claiming to be the victim. The offender may make a counter-allegation of abuse, or argue that s/he acted in self-defence, making it difficult to identify and distinguish between the primary victim and primary aggressor.
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Regardless, my initial reaction was inappropriate and I did mention immediately how this is a serious accusation. Therefore, I am not doubling down, I immediately felt guilty, changed my view of the situation and I will reserve any further judgement until courts have made a decision but I wanted to present this topic because I realised we now have a difficult situation. According to Safe Lives:

One of the more common challenges for those coming in to contact with domestic abuse is counter-allegations, where both parties allege that the other is abusive. For those less experienced in working with domestic abuse it can be easy to fall in to the trap of believing this is so, and that they are 'both as bad as each other'.
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With that in mind, it's why I created this topic initially.
 
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Laserdisk said:
Were there not pics of injuries in the previous thread?
They are both toxic by the sounds of it and substance abuse does not help!
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The problem with the photo as proof is she has always alleged that was something he did to himself when he was drunk and broke a bottle. As far as I understand it, the photo came from her own court fillings, where she alleges he sent her the photo to intimidate her and then wrote a message about her being unfaithful on a mirror in his own blood.

Is it possible she is lying? Absolutely. But she had an explanation for that injury before the photos were widely circulating.

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Amber heard sounds fucking terrible person all around. Jesus i felt ashamed for supporting Aquaman movie. Fuck that shit
https://www.nickiswift.com/15521/amber-heard-was-arrested-for-domestic-violence-against-girlfriend/
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The girlfriend in question even said at the time that it didn't happen that way and she felt the arrest was motivated by subconscious homophobia. (The arresting officer turned out to be gay herself, which people like to use as if it somehow negates how the ex girlfriend feels about the situation or her insistence that no abuse happened.) Now maybe she's just covering for Amber, but it's definitely not as clear cut as presented in these threads.
 

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Man, this sounds like a terrible marriage all around.

If Depp is telling the truth, I hope he can recover from the kind of psychological trauma something like this would obviously leave.
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It's not just the psychological damage, but the damage to his career too. How many jobs has he lost out on because of those allegations? People were calling for Depp to be fired from Fantastic Beasts because of these allegations and we know Disney is planning to reboot Pirates of the Caribbean without him because of them too.

Amber Heard basically ruined his career while she was off starting in billion dollar movies like Aquaman. If it does turn out the way it seems to be and she was the abusive one, that's all kinds of fucked up.

The worst part is... Wasn't he clean? After what happened to his daughter, didn't he swear off drugs and alcohol? Why would he start doing those things again unless Amber Heard was doing them and was a bad influence.
 
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    Platy said:
    I agree. But Depp is famous for letting it fuck up his work (he is famously a bad person to rely on set) and Amber allegations included the fact that he became violent while on drugs, so this is why i mentioned it.
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    It's gonna be a he said/she said until the facts come I guess. We'll see. Didn't Depp say he had receipts?
     
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    stupei said:
    The girlfriend in question even said at the time that it didn't happen that way and she felt the arrest was motivated by subconscious homophobia. (The arresting officer turned out to be gay herself, which people like to use as if it somehow negates how the ex girlfriend feels about the situation or her insistence that no abuse happened.) Now maybe she's just covering for Amber, but it's definitely not as clear cut as presented in these threads.
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    The arresting cop spoke out about the incident and I think her take is at least worth considering.


    https://people.com/movies/amber-heards-arresting-officer-speaks-out-i-am-so-not-homophobic/
     
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