Small differences in third party titles will not be able to make a huge dent into users with PS4 libraries and friends on that platform though.
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John (Digital Foundry) on PS5: ''Just talking to developers...I think people will be surprised in a good way about the PS5''
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Small differences in third party titles will not be able to make a huge dent into users with PS4 libraries and friends on that platform though.
This was probably an extremely crucial generation in regards to locking people to your eco-system. Breaking people out of the 'other manufacturers' ecosystem is going to be difficult. So PS4 dominating by such a huge margin makes things a bit more difficult for Xbox going forward. It's all about grabbing the attention of the people yet to jump into either eco-system that creates a battleground as it were, where both companies try to pull them to their side.
DF come off as quite unbiased in their reporting and general opinions.
Are Digital Foundry NDA or something? they really not saying much on PS5 still nothing on the teardown feel off
min their live stream they said it just dropped and they had other projects on and don't know what they were going to do. I suspect it will come this week
They dont have the console, they do have a video coming up soon.
In their live stream they mentioned how they couldn't just drop existing projects to do an analysis of the teardown video at a moments notice. I would imagine it will be next week sometime. They also said they genuinely don't have a ps5 or have signed an nda.
I often think people confuse interest in how games perform and the differences between versions as an obsession with getting the best version, where as just as often it's just interesting to see the differences and learn a little more about how the games work.
Even xbox was better back then, MS was at its very best early on with the xbox 360 in terms of hardware (if you can look past rrod) and content, but the og xbox didn't do so bad.
Their communication was unrivalled at the time. There was some amazing people working on Xbox in the early days (still is obviously).
This is insinuating that John from DF cares about PR rather than putting out honest information. Not only that, but developers be lying to everyone? Of course it's not that. Some people have made their value judgement on the PS5's architecture for many months now, giving a false impression of its specs and are unable to accept that an unconventional engineering solution and mature SDK provides tremendous results that developers are more than happy with. The idea that the sum of a machine's parts is more important than just the APU seems foreign to some.
Oh really? That's awesome! I'm unnervingly excited to check this out.
Edit: Hot damn. That looks vastly superior to any previous Xbox UI, and it's streets ahead of the PS4's UI too. Nice work MS. Avatars remain hideous, but assuming the real world version is as ad free as the demo video I just watched, it looks like a genuine pleasure to use.
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that was it exactly. MS started their long, long fumble around mid-late last gen - focus on Kinect, then a lack of first party titles coincided with PS3 gaining momentum, and that led into the disaster of the One launch/Matrick.
I loved my 360 so much, but bought a ps3 for exclusives. Eventually 360 exclusives were drying up and so much focus on Kinect meant I shifted attention to ps3, and then the crap messaging meant I didn't even consider the One.
They've fought back hard and done the right things though. They're back in it to win it.
Totally. The 360 was fantastic in almost every aspect, and Nintendo showed that they could still compete without going full on tech-wars with their systems. As you said, they really tried and delivered with Ps4.
We'll see how PS5 vs Series S/X turns out. We will get lots of games, that's for sure.
Yeah, I can def understand that. Xbox has always been synonymous with powerful hardware among the causal audience..
I stand by my first statement though that better is always subjective, it's simply a matter of what kind of gaming experience you want.
A lot of people feel this way.
PlayStation isn't some insurmountable brand. People are way less brand loyal than likes to be made out on this forum. Sure, there are plenty of loud rabbid fanboys but the masses buy whatever
Wait but I thought 350 in = 350 out so both consoles have to emit the exact same heat... that's what they taught me in 8th grade physics :( ??? /s
If the difference is actually this severe maybe it lends some credence to that XSX heat output rumor. There were some complaints about how the PS5 exhausting in the back would heat up an enclosed cabinet quickly but wouldn't the Xbox do the same with its higher heat output?
lol, There are some interesting takes these last couple of pages.
While the bottom half of your post is true, there is clearly an obsession with getting the best version.
On this forum at least.
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People really should not place consoles in cabinets with backwall (some even close the door though *facepalm*).
Xbox SX has advantage here though. It outputs heat on the side (in horizontal position).
More like an obsession with having the best version.
My point was more that the loud fanboys are in no way representative of the wider community.
Price\power has way less of an impact then reading this forum would have you believe.
Yeah the Xbox has the advantage by exhausting through that giant fan and going pull instead of push, but its counteracted by the overall higher heat right?
But like you said, who in their right mind is putting their consoles in enclosed cabinets, I'm sure both are going to be super quiet and the difference in heat will be marginal.
It's just super interesting how FUD(derived from a hands-on comment) about XBOX is dismissed with such an asinine idea like 350w=350w, but 0 brain cell FUD about Sony has to be refuted with collegiate dissertations.
Price has a huge impact to think other wise is crazy .
You can go for the value card but even then the price has to make sense .
Agreed. The post I quoted though was specifically about the amount of these kinds of PS5 articles, many of which are from shitty fanboy sites, hence my answer.
Are you saying DF is a shitty fanboy site? Or is John the shitty fanboy?
Well regardless of how sites may spin what he said, it just came across as though you said John or DF was biased, as he is the one the quote came from. they are some of the most informed unbiased people I have seen and it's incredibly sad that John no longer posts here from garbage he has to cop just because of his job.
User Banned (1 day) platform warring
A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
Heh, are you being serious with this?A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
) guess properly analysing it takes time, and they can't just drop everything in their hands and get on it.
A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
I find the fact that I don't believe this is satire depressing.
Now this is what I call ultra basedA few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
It's definitely important alright. Just less important than content.
Clearly the numbers don't lie! PS5 numbers are the biggest number.
Also, 5 is a bigger number than "Series".
PSUs are rated for output. So, a 350W PSU will have an output that tops out at 350W. And that's where the efficient rating and efficiency curve comes in: it's how much of the power that is being drawn from the socket is actually being delivered at the output.
PSUs are, in general, the most efficient when they're loaded at 50% the rated output. For a 350W PSU, that's 175W. They'll usually be something between 85 to 95% efficient when working under that load - so, the PSU delivering 175W internally is actually drawing some 205W+ at the wall.
The difference between 175W and 205W is, as you can imagine, wasted as heat, as usual for electronics.
DF is literally five people. They have a lot on their plates.
You started well, but you could have ended it after IO. Putting a % to features only one of them have is dumb.A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
If you were going to do it, you could at least include some xbox features. Would still be dumb.
Suspend multiple games: ps5 0%
auto HDR: ps5 0 %
A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
Please be satire, please be satire, please be satire.
PS5 is a IO beast and brings new possibilities to the table. People can take it or leave it, but it's a fact.
Other than that, PS5 and Xbox will have different geometry engines.
I yet have to see if the custom PS5 geometry engine isn't something specially strong.
Not hyped about something I haven't seen, and not expecting anything.
But it's clear to me that the PS5 has a lot more custom parts than Xbox, so it's also not crazy to expect "surprises" that some developers under NDA are hinting about.
This is amazing, I mean this guy cherry picking is god-tier, I'm in tears LOOOOOOL. Had to stop my workout for a short while to catch my breath. Very definition of living in a bubble.A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
MS isn't some poor underdog. GamePass is on the rise and they just bought Zenimax and its massive I.Ps, locking it away from the PS ecosystem. No need to pray on hoping that the PS5 is drastically inferior in power just because you pity MS or something.
They will do likely waaaaaay better this gen then with the XONE gen. They have the correct attitude for things like BC and games, are acting offensively and also have nice hardware.
Again no need to wish/hope the other side gets brutally demolished in something for the sake of "competition", I mean that isn't even competition anymore but wishing destruction on another. It isn't like Sony was arrogant in designing the PS5 and should be punished, they literally tried their hardest to tackle things devs desired and consumers complained about with the added bonus of things they assumed was going to be important for the next decade. Same with MS, they both tried their best in designing great boxes.
They will do likely waaaaaay better this gen then with the XONE gen. They have the correct attitude for things like BC and games, are acting offensively and also have nice hardware.
Again no need to wish/hope the other side gets brutally demolished in something for the sake of "competition", I mean that isn't even competition anymore but wishing destruction on another. It isn't like Sony was arrogant in designing the PS5 and should be punished, they literally tried their hardest to tackle things devs desired and consumers complained about with the added bonus of things they assumed was going to be important for the next decade. Same with MS, they both tried their best in designing great boxes.
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DF is doing PR spin for the PS5.
XSX needs to be way more powerful because Sony is arrogant.
Cherry Picking list in favor to the PS5.
Jeeeeeeez you people.
XSX needs to be way more powerful because Sony is arrogant.
Cherry Picking list in favor to the PS5.
Jeeeeeeez you people.
A few numbers I crunched to show how things look to me when I compare both consoles.
As you can see, they both have strengths and weaknesses but what does jump at you, looking at this?
ps: the total USB b/w is the least important by far but I had to include something to show that PS5 has more and faster USB ports, including usb-c.
Lol.
What is wifi 5? and why is that a 60% ratio, lmao.
No I was only responding to the post I quoted. There have been a ton of twitter opinions and anonymous dev sources over the last so many months.
In total agreement with you on DF - have never said a bad word against them.