Absolutely . Can't wait for the great games from all platforms next gen.
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John (Digital Foundry) on PS5: ''Just talking to developers...I think people will be surprised in a good way about the PS5''
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Yeah, only a month away before we see in-game comparisons and some of this can be put to bed. The mess in this thread can be summed up with:
based on the fact that is has a faster gpu, cpu and ram ?
Not really, no. People claiming that seem to really want there to be a huge difference. Funny thing is the difference is smaller than 20%, so it won't even be that.
It tells me that series x will most likely render at a higher base resolution. Meaning dlss techniques on series x will still look better
Just stop. You can't convince people if they have their mind set in something
In this thread, people who can't realize that top theoretical FLOP performance doesn't always translate 1:1 into real world performance in every scenario.
To me, it seems that people want to think there won't be a difference . 20 percent, is still 20 percent. That isn't a meaningless percentage
Its not about convincing. Its a fact that series x is the more powerful console . Believe it or not .
I think the biggest jump would be for those who are currently playing games at 1080p. Literally any resolution over this would represent a significant upgrade - even 1440p.
But when you're talking about 2160p and 1800p, you're grasping at straws. You will quickly forget about 'the native 4k' when playing your favourite game after 5 minutes, and this is a fact.
To be honest I prefer native 4k wherever I can, but I would never sacrifice 60FPS to obtain this goal. In any case, I found 75-80% of 4K to be a more than acceptable compromise for my PC.
That was also absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. While I could see a difference in some of those early PS4/Xbox One comparisons, I'd still argue it was relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. It's not like the games were markedly different or anything!
It's 16.5% (1/6th). There will be a difference sometimes, but the two are close enough where it will be very small in a worst case scenario and there will be times when the PS5 outperforms. That even happened with the 43% difference between X and Pro. The differences generally were very little outside of resolution, and outside of some outliers, the difference wasn't very big there either most of the time. Resolution, when we're talking two high resolutions, doesn't amount to a big difference visibly even when there's a big difference in actual pixel count. Now, we're talking about a far smaller gap.
If MS really pushes the 4k envelope, it could end up as a detriment with worse performing games. This seemed to be their chosen path with X, and I hope it doesn't stay the same.
I'm not sure why people are expecting ps5 to perform better in some cases when series x has a better gpu, cpu and faster ram
Pro had some framerate advantages yes , but that was because of the huge gap in resolution.
I also hope that isn't the case again.
Post have been saying that the higher frequency and ssd speeds are going to make up the difference. And TFs can't be compared even though it is the same architecture
Ahh i see what your saying. Understood . But yeah the ps5 ssd will obviously be better than the series x ssd .
I actually already explained it. If we have a difference of say 1800p vs 4k, this difference would give PS5 a processing power edge for other things since a disproportionate amount of power is being put towards resolution. This would result in higher resolution vs. better frame rate sort of thing.
You don't have to zoom in to see differences. Digital Foundry has been quite clear that they do this for people who are watching on phones and smaller devices. There will continue to be visible differences between games even if small. Whether that matters to people is up to the individual.
If you read latest MS interviews, according to their data, people keep going for the "feels" rather than fidelity in game options.
MS will target framerate hard this gen. 60 to 120fps. Won't be forced but they will definitely go for it all the time even with their cinematic games imo.
They want to mimic the PC experience where framerate is king.
That is not what my post was about - I was simply referring to the fact that the differences (4K vs near 4K) are not as great as you are making them out to be. Go test it out in the real world. Do you have a 4K TV and a capable PC? Of course, native beats everything. But 4K is also incredibly resource intensive, and isn't worth it just for the sake of having 4K.
That's cool. However, third party is always a wild card with this sort of thing.
I'm not sure what point you're evening trying to argue anymore? It seems you're fixated on the fact that there'll be a difference between PS5 and Xbox Series X, which, yes, there will be.
But I feel other people are trying to point out to you that it's likely to be so imperceptible that it may not even matter. Ultimately, if you're going to rely on Digital Foundry to invest several man hours counting pixels, magnifying assets, and using software to read the framerate then... Yeah, you're right, there'll be a difference!
For most human beings looking to enjoy a video game, though, the reality is that they're going to be so close that it's going to be borderline impossible for 98% of people to see any kind of difference at all.
Or they could be the same res with a fr advantage on series x
Yes. But you can see how it can swing both ways. The X isn't so much more powerful it can handily do both (high res and better frame rate) in every instance. I suspect frame rates will be better all around this gen generally speaking though.
The FPS is going to be virtually the same on both consoles so it's pointless even bringing that up.
Wider GPU on the XSX benefits more / realizes more of its top theoretically perf with higher resolutions (resolution scaled loads scale closer to 1:1 with more units), so going with the same res as the PS5 will actually decrease its theoretical performance advantage.
While I expect the XSX to slightly outperform the PS5 generally, you are making a whole heck of a lot of assumptions based on some extremely basic information. This isn't people arguing 1+1 is higher than 2+1. This is people saying on paper these consoles are really close, but little differences in things like IO, split channel memory, etc. are really important factors just like GPU/CPU speeds are. It's possible the fundamental way games are designed take advantage of some of the hardware efficiencies present in the slightly less powerful consoles. It could be developers will make subtle changes to PS5 and XSX versions of games that makes direct comparison more subjective than objective. It could be the XSX consistently outperforms PS5 regardless. However, I think you do yourself a disservice by saying, "Xbox is better in these areas, end of discussion."
Someone in another thread said something about "last time we had a new gen we had people comparing the number of random bushes in GTA V" and I thought I remember that exact thread! LOL.
It'll happen again, I'm sure.
To me, as long as we have locked framerates I'm good.
I think people are talking about two different things here. Yes, on paper, XSX have higher numbers on couple of hardware. Yes, PS5 also have higher numbers on other hardware. That is a fact. Whether that will translate to 1:1 difference in actual gameplay, is debatable, because right now, there is no way to confirm. That is also a fact.
Then, the is that really something that matters to casual gamers? I don't think so. We buy console for the games and social circle, especially for multiplayer games. This debacle is going in circles without any ending, because people are talking about difference stuff.
Back to the main topic, I wonder what kind of surprise these developers are talking about.
Then, the is that really something that matters to casual gamers? I don't think so. We buy console for the games and social circle, especially for multiplayer games. This debacle is going in circles without any ending, because people are talking about difference stuff.
Back to the main topic, I wonder what kind of surprise these developers are talking about.
So nothing in that post I linked will matter at all? The only performance metrics are those three numbers?
I hope Chad Warren and that guy with the million gamerscore and I don't know, whoever was insane about the Wii are all safe and sound wherever they are. Perhaps sitting around a giant, stone table, locked in debate like Arthur's knights.
Just to chime in regarding resolution. I do think most people won't notice the difference at all. Look at the Demons souls footage, no one questioned the resolution until DF counted it, and they kinda dismissed it due to the prestine IQ. Who before DF counted it said that's 100% 1440p? Not many.....
So does this mean that Xbox Series X will NEVER have a "plays best on" then?
I mean aside from the first party stuff.
Or am I thinking about this is in too black and white? It's literally going to be loading/controller features over frame rate and graphical features isn't it?
I mean aside from the first party stuff.
Or am I thinking about this is in too black and white? It's literally going to be loading/controller features over frame rate and graphical features isn't it?
Isn't that basically what the "Optimized for Series X" tag is?
Again, isn't that what the "Optimized for Series X" tag is meant to represent?
Xbox has Halo tho, I don't think Sony has an exclusive FPS right now.
It's meant to represent the difference between the X and the S. It never meant anything more than that.
