Sure, and Sony would argue their exclusives were a cut above. Like I said, astoundingly close altogether.
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John (Digital Foundry) on PS5: ''Just talking to developers...I think people will be surprised in a good way about the PS5''
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Sure, and Sony would argue their exclusives were a cut above. Like I said, astoundingly close altogether.
Yeah. Their memory isn't split in the same way (it really held PS3 back), and the CPUs are essentially identical. The GPU architecture is identical, and only differs in size and clock speed.
Keep it coming mate, it's nice having positive threads on the PlayStation!
I figured mathematically 1.31TF & 12 CUs vs 1.84TF & 18 CUs was a closer gap than 10.28TF & 36 CUs vs 12TF & 52 CUs hardware wise.
There's definitely a much larger "numbers" gap there percentage wise. I guess all the in-between math is what I don't know (which gives the 18% ?). I guess just looking at those numbers isn't the correct way to do it?
I'm more accustom to counting these in PC GPUs and it making a pretty big difference...which probably doesn't apply here. 🤷♂️
I'm not expecting a huge difference, just looking at the numbers I expect something though. Can someone explain the math that generates the conclusions I'm seeing (note, I paid no attention to this stuff early on when we found out...I'm guessing all this was discussed).
Pop in has to do with GPU not the SSD so that won't happen. Lead development on PS5 would probably still give a resolution/fps advantage on Series X anyway. And crash still has better frame rates on Xbox One X and is still the better version.
So I still don't see why.
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It was a genuine question by him!
It came off as passive-aggressive but it was not his intention.
CPU/GPU are closer than they've ever been, and SSD on paper is the biggest difference between the consoles. The controller has features that potentially change how gameplay feels. What interests me is whether DF will cover haptics and that stuff in their technical analyses since it might add to the experience in same way as visual and performance increases do.
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Yeah the games are going to be near indiscernibly different this time around even if XSX is slightly ahead on paper. There will be no repeat of PS4 version + smear vaseline on the screen = XB1 version. :)
All I wanted was for there to be as few discrepancies between multiplatform games and it sounds like that's going to be the case. Very happy to hear.
And as others have echoed, there's night and day difference between the kind of resolution scaling we have right now vs what the scene was like when PS4 launched. That makes me care much less about resolution than I do performance. That doesn't make me one of those 120fps or bust types, but I would really like to see 60fps modes in PS5 games that don't sacrifice visuals. If that can be achieved with resolution scaling then I'm satisfied.
Not sure why people are assuming there is going to be no difference between these consoles . Xbox is more powerful and it will be noticeable .
A large difference most likely not but there will be a difference
A large difference most likely not but there will be a difference
Yeah, I think this hardware is going to allow them to go crazy visually/effects wise on games.
My personal opinion is that the dual sense will be a non factor over the course of the generation the same way all the other added features in controllers have been non factors every generation. It will be used in first party titles and most third parties will ignore it completely. Just like the touch pad, speaker, xbox impulse triggers, gyros, and whatever else Im forgetting.
Admittedly, I hope Im wrong, because it has potential.
Admittedly, I hope Im wrong, because it has potential.
Won't be zero difference, won't be a large difference. And there will be some surprises.
I honestly think so. The jump to 3D, while amazing, was really hampered by the tech at the time. Slow load times, bad framerates, etc. This is the first time we're really gonna be tackling a lot of those issues. In the console space, at least.
There are hundreds of examples of the lead platform resulting in the better version despite being on weaker hardware. I concede the pop in thing though.
You have developers stating the opposite right now, actually.
I'm sure when devs get more familiar with the GDK, itll even out. But I suspect some games may run a bit better in the launch frame than XSX, and vice versa, like this gen and the one before it.
Also, we know RT is a bit behind on XSX from multiple quotes.
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I'm dying. This is amazing. Real talk though. Cerny does have an incredibly soothing voice.
Is GDK even finished yet? Last I had read Series X stuff was still being built on the XDK.
every gen we get some "yeah, x is weaker than y, but secret sauce"
it never eventuates
it wont be different this time around
you cant magically produce computing power from nowhere
in saying that, these machines are probably the closest we have had in many gens
the differences will probably be dyna res's dropping more frequent on 5, or slightly lower res shadows, or some shit that needs magnifying to notice
it never eventuates
it wont be different this time around
you cant magically produce computing power from nowhere
in saying that, these machines are probably the closest we have had in many gens
the differences will probably be dyna res's dropping more frequent on 5, or slightly lower res shadows, or some shit that needs magnifying to notice
If history still remembers you 15 years later, good or bad, the correct term is Legendary.
Noticeable is.a relative thing though. What is a huge difference to some, others may not even care, or see a difference.
But there is a gap in power and will be a gap in output. But at the end of the day, games are going to look glorious on both.
New temporal and AI upscaling techniques also make it moot IMO, allowing less costly rendering and high resolutions. It's only going to get more refined as the generation goes on, even if AMD needs to catch up to Nvidia.
Lets just hope some idiot doesn't try to sue Guerrilla Games again 😂
Lets just hope some idiot doesn't try to sue Guerrilla Games again 😂
I work in telecoms and one of my colleagues visited a customer who worked on the LEGO games up until this year, I think he would have been at TT Fusion which has a few locations near Manchester which is where we are based.
He basically asked him, Xbox Series X or PS5 and he said a similar thing. PS5 is a fantastic machine and that would be his pick.
I know I can't exactly prove this without breaching GDPR so... yeh.
He basically asked him, Xbox Series X or PS5 and he said a similar thing. PS5 is a fantastic machine and that would be his pick.
I know I can't exactly prove this without breaching GDPR so... yeh.
I think he just means there isn't as much of a gap as you'd think on paper. In anything other than SSD speed, there's almost no reason to believe PS5 should outperform XSX, especially in third party games that won't be mining the true power of either box. If PS5 was actually pumping out better visuals on third party games for one reason or another, we would absolutely be hearing about it from dev leaks. That would be too surprising a thing to keep quiet.
Yep, that's why I was asking--wanted to know their subjective criteria for it.
They will seems most asked for this area to be strengthed. When I see IO mentioned in games I tend to think of density or dynamics and tons all at once.
We are are a few years since draw call problem has been resolved. Most devs have to be loving not being on jaguar cpus cause the gains just from going from them to ryzen is incredible. Even last gen on better apis draw calls were still limited by cpus not inherently both them and software. The limit is no more and devs can total flex up to that architecture max or whatever magic they can program.
In short, both consoles will play games very well, and we should stop putting one down to prop up the other.
Maybe?
Or maybe the difference will be so minimal that both consoles will be a great choice for 3rd party games.
Absolutely incorrect. Given publisher consolidation and huge tie ups with third party publishers, you will see significant usage of dual sense features across the board. You are already seeing it with so many games and it is only going to continue with more third party partnerships and first party games.
My favorite part of DF videos. You see the aliasing here? (800% crop)
I would imagine games that rely on a better I/O can have more benefits on PS5. Open-worlds is my bet. I would still expect a better resolution on X tho.