The notion of "belonging" is something I've had to grapple with from time to time. More so during this time period. No model minority or patriotism can erase ethnicity or color.
We're capable of understanding that it was not brought up in that context at all, and was brought up in fact to defend against the false idea that there's any sort rationale behind racism other than hate and protecting power due to hate. Just because others pervert truth doesn't mean you have to assume the perversion of it in every scenario or project your assumption onto others, especially in a context where common sense would inform you that you're off base.No, they're not correct to bring it up. Yes, it's an accurate statement, but it's also a disingenuous one since it's often used by white people to dismiss their role in the power structure because they're Eastern European white and not classical Anglo-Saxon white when both enjoy the same exact power dynamic in society.
I'm also more than capable of understanding how often minorities giving the benefit of the doubt ends up biting said minorities in the ass when said concession is ultimately weaponized against them.We're capable of understanding that it was not brought up in that context at all, and was brought up in fact to defend against the false idea that there's any sort rationale behind racism other than hate and protecting power due to hate. Just because others pervert truth doesn't mean you have to assume the perversion of it in every scenario or project your assumption onto others, especially in a context where common sense would inform you that you're off base.
I think my reply was rude and I edited in some more, but my general thought remains the same. There's also a situation at head where there's multiple viewpoints from members of the marginalized groups being discussed here. Especially given the poster's view were further developed upon when agreeing with another member.I'm also more than capable of understanding how often minorities giving the benefit of the doubt ends up biting said minorities in the ass when said concession is ultimately weaponized against them.
If you don't want to be lumped in with people who utilize phrases and points of view as malicious deflections from the point and topic at hand, don't contribute to the dismissal of minority points and viewpoints. You're delegitimizing grievances.
Don't worry, nothing came off as rude in your post to me.I think my reply was rude and I edited in some more, but my general thought remains the same. There's also a situation at head where there's multiple viewpoints from members of the marginalized groups being discussed here. Especially given the poster's view were further developed upon when agreeing with another member.
I'm sorry for my rudeness but I still appreciate their point.
Pretty sure the guy that's one of maybe three recognizable Asian male actors in this country didn't have to wait for Covid19 to get that call. Thanks for playing into the stereotype that all us Asians think we're auxiliary whites.
I think it's important to realize that racism isn't something only done by people we don't know or like. When I was growing up, there was enough racism to go around considering I was in the minority of minorities. Everybody of every background was racist towards me. And that also doesn't mean Asian people aren't racist. I know many Asian people who are some of the most blatantly racist people I know. Racism is a huge issue that we must all tackle as a society. We must all do better and we must all have difficult conversations with people close to us.To be honest, this is a flawed and dangerous outlook. Racism does not come exclusively from conservatives, and to say it does hand-waves the racism and xenophobia perpetrated by the left.
It's a big problem even on this very board, and it's not really acknowledged because it's being attributed to the out group.
Thank you.Yeah, not really a fan of the patronizing attitude towards Asians here and elsewhere when it comes to awareness of social issues and tackling racism. There certainly is a lot to address when it comes to complacency with the model minority role in the Asian American community, but the assumption that any given Asian American speaking out right now is getting a "wake up call" or hasn't already contended with racial identity is pretty obnoxious and damaging. John Cho in particular has been very vocal about issues of race in the media, so there's especially little reason for some of the comments in here.
It's still like that in Europe. White people from poorer countries are not seen as equal to those in richer countries. Racists will prefer them over POC, but that's about it.Define "white."
The ruling class will always find ways to divide along ethno-cultural lines. Back in the day, Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans, and anyone not consider White Anglo-Saxon were considered subhuman.
I don't really like the idea of putting anyone on ignore personally, but that aside, I honestly regret not setting your post separately in my reply and answering it in more detail and milder tone, because it noticeably wasn't quite so patronizing as the others. That being said, I would like to apologize myself for being lazy with my reply and seeming hostile towards you.If you haven't thrown me onto the ignore list by now, just know I am sorry--I had no idea AAs were stereotyped this way, nor was it my intention to contribute to that.
In my initial post, I admit I was projecting--these last 4 years were a cold slap in my face, as I did have my head in the sand in regards to minorities and this country's true sentiment towards us.
I don't really like the idea of putting anyone on ignore personally, but that aside, I honestly regret not setting your post separately in my reply and answering it in more detail and milder tone, because it noticeably wasn't quite so patronizing as the others. That being said, I would like to apologize myself for being lazy with my reply and seeming hostile towards you.
Thank you.
People on this forum are acting like Asians never knew. Like its 2020 and we suddenly found out just now, and John Cho is the only Asian who has "waken up".
Yep. I'm hoping this'll open the eyes of more people. You can do everything "right" but in the end, it doesn't matter because you're different.Yup. That's why the "model minority" myth never holds any weight. Doesn't matter how successful you are, how you talk, how you dress, what company you keep, or who you marry. You will never truly be one of them.
Yep. Or even just convincing lower income white people that they're better than any minority on skin color alone so they focus their attention there instead of at the rich white people screwing them over.Define "white."
The ruling class will always find ways to divide along ethno-cultural lines. Back in the day, Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans, and anyone not consider White Anglo-Saxon were considered subhuman.
I'm not in the US, but the feeling of 'belonging' is never something for others to give to me. I belong, whether others want it or not.
Pretty sure the guy that's one of maybe three recognizable Asian male actors in this country didn't have to wait for Covid19 to get that call. Thanks for playing into the stereotype that all us Asians think we're auxiliary whites.
Pretty sure the guy that's one of maybe three recognizable Asian male actors in this country didn't have to wait for Covid19 to get that call. Thanks for playing into the stereotype that all us Asians think we're auxiliary whites.
How gracious of you.Cognitive dissonance is a motherfucker, but ima let you finish.
Cognitive dissonance is a motherfucker, but ima let you finish.
Agree with the expressed sentiments of dismissing the patronizing comments as unfounded and dismissive.
As a non-Asian minority, I have no authority to speak on or on behalf of Asian Americans because I'm not in those circles, and thus, are not privy to the conversations that are undoubtedly held in those communities. Is it too much to ask for others to keep this in mind before they come across as condescending asshats?
Cognitive dissonance is a motherfucker, but ima let you finish.
He was in a position that most minorities who attain any level of success in any predominately white industry and that is comfort. You get comfortable, you start to think things are ok and you are accepted and the world in general is in a good place. Until you get that literal wake up call that you are not accepted and the world is not ok.
Stay vigilant. That's my normal.
I'm pretty much done here, but stay fucking (racist) trash friend.Cognitive dissonance is a motherfucker, but ima let you finish.