In Anakin's defense, Obi-Wan is a defensive master and the perfect counter to Anakin's aggressive saber work. If that man focuses, you're probably going down. And he was intimately familiar with Anakin's swordplay since he trained him in most of it.
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John Boyega: I’m sorry guys but Anakin slapping all of us in a pit of lava. Including Kylo
- Thread starter Lunar Wolf
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I have to give you props just for that analogy. Very fitting!
Also MFFL.
Dude ain't wrong. In terms of pure power, Anakin is the strongest Force wielder we've ever seen. Which makes sense given Anakin's birth wasn't exactly normal and he existed for a singular purpose as decided by the Force.
Rey is who Anakin would've grown up to be had the Jedi never found him, but it's not like she'd be as strong as him. Which is fine, since there are a lot of Jedi that weren't. All of them, really.
Plus Anakin was himself totally not in the right frame of mind. The dude was mentally broken. There was no way he could fight properly when he was worrying about Padme, angry at himself for being too weak to refuse Palpatine and hating himself for killing all those Jedi who were the closest thing to a family he had.
I tend to believe he was weaker than before because he had forsaken the light, too. Anakin was at his strongest when he was drawing power from both the light and the dark and nobody could draw as much power from the Force as Anakin could. On Mustafar, and after it too, Anakin draw only upon the dark side and that's why his eyes turned yellow.
So there were a lot of different things playing into why Obi-Wan could beat Anakin, even though Obi-Wan freely admitted that Anakin was usually far stronger than him.
Rey is who Anakin would've grown up to be had the Jedi never found him, but it's not like she'd be as strong as him. Which is fine, since there are a lot of Jedi that weren't. All of them, really.
Plus Anakin was himself totally not in the right frame of mind. The dude was mentally broken. There was no way he could fight properly when he was worrying about Padme, angry at himself for being too weak to refuse Palpatine and hating himself for killing all those Jedi who were the closest thing to a family he had.
I tend to believe he was weaker than before because he had forsaken the light, too. Anakin was at his strongest when he was drawing power from both the light and the dark and nobody could draw as much power from the Force as Anakin could. On Mustafar, and after it too, Anakin draw only upon the dark side and that's why his eyes turned yellow.
So there were a lot of different things playing into why Obi-Wan could beat Anakin, even though Obi-Wan freely admitted that Anakin was usually far stronger than him.
Maybe hes just salty his character went from joint protagonist to pointless comic relief janitor
That's a pretty good assessment. *Robert Redford nodding gif*
To be fair, he did beat the Emperor. He just needed 20 years of prep time to do it.
I mean, yeah. The prequels are about the Jedi, as far combat prowless is concerned, at the peak of their power and Anakin was among the best.
I think most Jedi Masters of the prequel era could defeat Luke, Rey and Kylo thanks to their combat experience and training ever since childhood. Had they been born in the Prequels era, however, they would have been beasts too.
I think most Jedi Masters of the prequel era could defeat Luke, Rey and Kylo thanks to their combat experience and training ever since childhood. Had they been born in the Prequels era, however, they would have been beasts too.
I came in to say that Revan, Malak, or Nihlus would annihilate any of the jedi's or sith in the movies.
This is how the Rise of Skywalker will end. Anakin will show up and just say "fuck yall this shit's over" and force slap everyone right into lava, friend and foe alike. Dude doesn't give a fuck. Force is balanced because everyone who uses it is dead. Job's done.
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Nihilus was a wound in the force and basically became hunger personified. Just being near him meant he was draining your life energy.
Yeah, he did.
The Prophecy it's Already fulfill.
Besides Nihilus who is a cheat code, the prequel era is meant to be the jedi at the height of their power, to go along with Sheev being the strongest of the Sith. It's poetic and whatnot that the jedi fall in one fell swoop despite being the strongest they've ever been as an Order.
Little known fact, the ancient jedi built their temple on Coruscant on top of a Sith temple. The purpose was to bury the legacy of the Sith and have their light side energy keep a lid on the Sith temple. It was supposed to be revealed in Clone Wars before it got canceled but was introduced properly in the Tarkin novel. The Sith temple pumping out dark side energy was mostly responsible for the jedi's vision becoming more and more clouded during the Clone Wars.
The jedi eventually forgot about the existence of the temple while Sheev(knowledge passed down through the rule of two) knew of it and kept it as one of his biggest secrets.
Now that you mention it, Anakin is kind of a reverse Buu and Palpatine a reverse Mr. Satan.
Anakin = Ultimate Gohan
Darth Vader = Gohan becoming a scholar
Rey = Goten
Kylo Ren = Kid Trunks
Darth Vader = Gohan becoming a scholar
Rey = Goten
Kylo Ren = Kid Trunks
In a way, yes.
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Reylo the shipped.
Anakin is so powerful because he learned the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the wise
what if Rey learns the story
FROM Palpatine
game over
what if Rey learns the story
FROM Palpatine
game over
TCW is Anakin done right. He's angry, he's possessive, he's terrible at following the Jedi way or the orders of the Council... but he cares deeply for his friends, always does what he believes is the right thing to do even if it isn't the correct thing to do, is the most successful Jedi during the war and saved billions of lives.
...and he's scary. The lengths he's willing to go, the damage he's willing to do... You can tell how a guy like Anakin would become as intimidating as Darth Vader. The way the Rebellion saw Vader is the same way the Separatists saw Anakin.
Best of all, he has a personality beyond "smile at Padme" and "pure angst." And the reasons for his dissolution with the council are way less contrived.
Yeah, he says when Ahsoka leaves the Order that he wishes he could as well - but that's where the possessiveness kicks in, because he can never let go of something that's his.
Anakin was never a Jedi. He never believed in the Order or agreed with its methods, but it was the only family he had. He never found something he cared about more than that, even though Ahsoka was able to leave the Order after it betrayed her and Obi-Wan freely admitted he'd have left the Order if Satine ever asked him to.
Did he even ever truly love Padmé or was she simply something he possessed and couldn't let go of? Maybe as far as he was concerned, that was "love".
Anakin is a weird one. In the movies, he looks and acts like a psychopath with anger.
The CW shows his compassion.
It's not really about power levels in this case. Anakin just had years of training, years of experience as a general, and a natural knack for the force.
Kylo probably comes closest to him, because he also had some training as a kid and a natural knack for the force... but it's really not the same.
Luke cliffnotes'd his way into being a Jedi. So did Rey. But I don't think that made him worse.
Stuff like this makes me wish that Disney would do some what if series/comics with Star Wars. I remember that episode and just wanting to shout at him to just leave the Order then if he loved his wife so much. Actually, with the lack of Jedi and the pressing needs of the war, I honestly think he would've been fine revealing to the council that he was married. At that point, they couldn't afford to lose him.
That's the thing is that CW Anakin is written to be way more "human" compared to the way he was written in the PT. So instead of this robot we get this dude who seems to genuinely care about his friends and wife. Not out of a toxic possession complex but out of a genuine care for those around him even when at times he disagrees with them. And that genuine care during a war becomes a slow burn where at times turns into this toxic possession complex which leads him to do things that the jedi order would never do.
It becomes a genuine fall from something that resembles grace.