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John Boyega expresses disappointment over Finn in Star Wars: The Last Jedi
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To me? sure. alot of potential how a woman in that universe got to that position of leadership.
Rian did nothing with her. JJ didnt either, to be fair.
"The Force Awakens I think was the beginning of something quite solid, The Last Jedi if I'm being honest I'd say that was feeling a bit iffy for me. I didn't necessarily agree with a lot of the choices in that and that's something that spoke to Mark a lot about and we had conversations about it. And it was hard for all of us, because we were separated..."
So apparently he spoke with Hamill and they both had reservations about the direction the series was headed?
"... I guess the original Star Wars films there was much more of a trio feel where it was essentially about Luke's journey, but Han and Leia there was a strong dynamic, which I think, I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to establish that longterm dynamic with Nine. But if it's exploring that dynamic, then that would be cool."
This has always been my concern. Nine has a lot of heavy lifting if this thing is going to go out with a bang.
So apparently he spoke with Hamill and they both had reservations about the direction the series was headed?
"... I guess the original Star Wars films there was much more of a trio feel where it was essentially about Luke's journey, but Han and Leia there was a strong dynamic, which I think, I don't know how quickly we're going to be able to establish that longterm dynamic with Nine. But if it's exploring that dynamic, then that would be cool."
This has always been my concern. Nine has a lot of heavy lifting if this thing is going to go out with a bang.
Agreed.
The Finn parts of the film were very weak, and felt convoluted in contrast to everything else. TLJ has some of my favorite SW moments, and when it lands, it has some incredible filmmaking -- but it has HUGE issues IMO, and is a pretty weak film overall.
The Finn parts of the film were very weak, and felt convoluted in contrast to everything else. TLJ has some of my favorite SW moments, and when it lands, it has some incredible filmmaking -- but it has HUGE issues IMO, and is a pretty weak film overall.
I attest, even as someone who generally likes TLJ, the way Finn and his story were handled is my biggest disappointment with it. So isolated from anything that mattered. I hope Boyega gets something better in episode 9. And I hope Finn gets a lot more screen time with Poe.
I don't think there's any realistic way to do a timeskip. TFA's entire purpose was leading up to that moment.. hearing from Luke himself why he decided to walk away from everything/his reasoning.
they could have easily done flash back scenes of rey training with luke and learning what luke was doing on that island while present day rey was on an adventure with Finn. Or was that too hard to think up?
Rian Johnson was enamored with Kylo and Luke above all else. Their backstory plays right into his noir-ish wheelhouse. Finn and Rey both took a backseat to their story.
It's obvious from the TROS media that JJ wanted to course-correct on that and make Rey the dramatic centerpiece of this movie. Watch the first teaser again. It's entirely focused on her.
It's obvious from the TROS media that JJ wanted to course-correct on that and make Rey the dramatic centerpiece of this movie. Watch the first teaser again. It's entirely focused on her.
What does separation have to do with the problem? Luke/Leia/Han were separated for most of the second film and they were still considered a trio the entire time. It still gave the other two important things to do while Luke was off on his own.
Having potential to be interesting is not the same as being an interesting character. They should've never brought her back, since TFA did nothing with her and TLJ had enough to do already.
Finn went from literally the only reason to watch the sequels to the biggest reason to avoid the sequels.
Him holding the lightsaber in EP7 was his peak. After that, it's all Rey and everyone else.
Him holding the lightsaber in EP7 was his peak. After that, it's all Rey and everyone else.
My guess is Boyega wouldn't be interested in coming back if they decided to write how Finn screwed the galaxy and his friends and is battling deep, isolating depression.
He still had the over protectiveness quality to him, which resulted in that scene at the end, but it felt so rushed. He went from escape podding to a shitty side plot to realizing that now he's no longer scared and ready to sacrifice himself for others?
The pacing and writing for his character in TLJ is by far the worse.
I really wanted to know where the new characters go after 7. Now after 8 I couldn't give less of a shit and I'm inherently annoyed by their presence in new trailers. Last movie ruined my enthusiasm for everyone except maybe Kylo (and I guess I'm only neutral towards the main girl whose name I can't even remember right now).
He isn't wrong, the trilogy really blew with the characters. You got the odd moments in TFA which just shows how good it is for characters to hang about together. TLJ lost that completely for the most part. Characters can go off and do their own things but the OT never felt so disconnected, the friendship seemed real, earned, subtle. Maybe they'll surprise in episode 9 and make up for it, I just hope the dynamic works well given they've apparently spent more time together, it will hurt either way because they wasted the trilogy but at least one and a half of good stuff is better than nothing and may make people excited to see an Episode X.
The problem with TLJ is that it basically makes Finn goes through the same character arc again.
Also he was completely justified in wanting to peace out from a fight he never fucking signed up for.
Also he was completely justified in wanting to peace out from a fight he never fucking signed up for.
I think if TLJ has a timeskip then TFA doesn't end the same way. They were written with each other in mind.
I mean, a lot of this complaint is "the three of us don't mirror the trio in the original films super well" which like, alright I guess you can want that, but how much have people bitched and moaned about these movies overusing themes from the original trilogy? We're gonna complain they're too DIFFERENT now?
You could but Rian would have to ditch Luke's characterization in that movie as a depressed coward that attempted to kill his nephew and play Luke much more traditionally as a Yoda-like figure.
I mean this is what a lot of people, including myself, have been saying about TLJ - that we didn't like how the characters were treated. I don't think Rian did a bad job directing it at all, it was just problematic writing and story arcs for those characters, Finn quite specifically but most notably Luke who manages to become an attempted nephew/padawan-murderer. People love to claim he's tearing it all down for a new generation, but that doesn't explain why he's doing a bad job with the current generation characters.
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TFA ended on a cliffhanger that was designed to be immediately resolved. There was no other realistic choice but to continue that scene.
I think the cliffhanger basically forced this. It would've been weird to begin with Rey and Luke now having known each other for a year.
Even if RJ didn't go that route, that major plot thread would still have needed to be resolved. We needed to hear from Luke, it's the story that TFA set up with it's very first line in the opening crawl.
That's what I'm saying.
How can you ruin something that was pretty broken already?
I'm somebody who doesn't necessarily need the characters in my fiction to look like. "Representation" is cool but it's not a deal breaker or motivator for me.
That said I don't appreciate the bait and switch they pulled with Finn at all.
They've gone over this. TFA wasn't written with TLJ in mind. It was more like handing a baton off.
He's absolutely right.
Dude was a great addition to the franchise and Rian Johnson and his dog shit writing made him into a disposable character who went on a meaningless side quest in the piece of shit that is the last jedi.
Dude was a great addition to the franchise and Rian Johnson and his dog shit writing made him into a disposable character who went on a meaningless side quest in the piece of shit that is the last jedi.
Again, another mistake the sequel trilogy made. No real time skip between TFA and TLJ meant no time for things to happen.
Two films into the final part of the "Skwalker Saga" and everything has taken place over a week. They could have easily given it 6 months and changed the story around that to give the universe time to breath after the events of TFA, and give the characters time to find their place.
Going by the trailers and what they have hinted at, I think we're going to come out of TROS and wonder what the point of most of the TLJ story was in the grand scheme of things.
The thing about the last Jedi is that in my opinion on it's own it's a good film about failure and moving on. But how it fits into the trilogy and even setting up the "end of the saga", it's just terrible. Messes everything up.
I guess they could have stretched out the time she spent trying to engage with him. Establish that she's been there for months, following his daily routine, attempting to connect, but he won't train her.
Not really. TFA just presents Luke as potentially going after some Jedi artifacts/first Jedi temple. Timeskip a year and then have Luke reveal everything to Rey after he completes her training.
Yep - it wouldn't have been that difficult, IMO.
no it doesnt.
Han literally says that after what happened to Ben, he abandoned everything because he felt responsible.
Finn's arc was building towards him sacrificing himself in TLJ. Rather than run away from his fate and his fears, he was confronting destiny head-on. Rian clearly had second thoughts and relented in the end, having Rose take away the fulfillment of that film's arc from him. I think this all evolves from the film's weird obsession with tying him to the go-nowhere B plot on the gambling planet.