Absolutely. Bernie won Michigan in 2016, and Joe clobbered him in 2020. People gotta get out of the Twitter / Era bubble.
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Joe Biden requests that the Senate Archive make public any record of complaint from Tara Reade
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Absolutely. Bernie won Michigan in 2016, and Joe clobbered him in 2020. People gotta get out of the Twitter / Era bubble.
I was caught up in the Bernie bubble as well. Bernie's dedicated supporters are incredibly loud, but unfortunately they are the vocal minority, as shown by the poll results.
I'm hesitant to say that I'm a Biden supporter before we get more concrete info about what's going on, but I'm voting dem no matter what in six months
Based on what I was reading online and the press, Bernie had this thing in the bag. He got huge crowds, his fans are all over twitter, it was his to lose and I realized he never had it.
The Biden popularity is based on the fact that he's popular in places Hillary had no chance. Trump fear of Biden is real.
The Biden popularity is based on the fact that he's popular in places Hillary had no chance. Trump fear of Biden is real.
Those things do not say he had it in the bag. Twitter is a meaningless bubble and crowds are useless if they don't vote.
His strategy relied on Moderates not dropping out to split the vote.
He didn't ask for a link at all, he's being pedantic about whether Biden referred to his own behavior as sexual harassment or not. He didn't refer to his own behavior that way but he admitted to (and apologized for) the behavior and the behavior described was sexual harassment.
Right, this is essentially what I thought. The materials aren't open to the public but they've been working on them for quite a while. It would be weird if they hadn't been
University of Delaware says it still has no plans to release Biden's Senate papers, as pressure mounts
The university that possesses a trove of Joe Biden's Senate papers told CNN on Thursday that there are still no plans to make them public now, as pressure grows on Biden's presidential campaign to release records that some say could potentially shed light on a sexual assault allegation against...www.cnn.com
I think you are splitting hairs here, multiple women described sexual harassment. In response to those women, he apologized for his behavior. He may not consider it sexual harassment himself but the behavior was described was sexual harassment and he apologized for it and did not deny it. Even if he views the behavior as 'problematic' but not sexual harassment...it was still clearly sexual harassment.
I don't agree he was being pedantic. Again, he was very polite in his response to you. Believe it or not, what you're referring to wasn't a big story. If you're going to claim something and someone asks you for link (politely -- not to be an ass), then you should be able to communicate with them.
And uh...
Are you reading posts before you reply to people?
It absolutely was a big story, and it's a still developing story considering more women keep coming forward about sexual harassment (including a woman who was 14 at the time he harassed her). I didn't notice they asked for a link, I did explain what I was talking about though. Never said they weren't being polite, they were and still are.
He doesn't even view the behavior as problematic. If he did, he wouldn't have been joking about it immediately after.
Unfortunately true. I voted Bernie and wanted he or Warren badly. But the primary showed me I'm in the minority and either would probably get defeated by Trump due to America being more right leaning.
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yeah. I don't get how some folks haven't realized this yet given the mountain of evidence. Hopefully he picks warren as VP so there is a chance she becomes president.
I doubt any work that has been done would be useful for the type of search that people have been clamoring for though. Just because the archive has been partially cataloged doesn't mean that references to a very specific person would have been logged. Everything would be to be reviewed again.
You don't have to consider yourself a supporter just because you're potentially voting for him later.
There's such a massive gulf of difference between the Kavanaugh situation and response and this.
What about vote blue no matter who? It shouldn't matter who the Dem nominee is because the vast majority of voters want Trump gone and his support is plummeting
That's the sentiment but you have to realize that it really doesn't make the more accelerationist progressives feel any better and the allegations don't make it any better.
And even if we a were to coalesce around Biden, it's not going to be an easy race because a few polls say that people don't like Trump. It's been that way since he's been inaugurated.
did she previously say it did? I see some people in the Twitter comments saying she contradicted herself here.
I'm pretty sure she mentioned filling a sexual harassment complaint on the Krystal Ball interview, but I'll have to double-check. At least that was the implication I was left with.
Also there's a couple previously unpublished quotes from an interview Reade gave to the AP in 2019 in that story that raise some questions.
Yeah. This is.. weird.
I want to see how this shakes out because the AP has been one of the more aggressively skeptical outlets on the Reade story so I'd like to see what the Intercept/Business Insider/Krystal Ball has to say as they have been way more in the weeds on this.
I want to see how this shakes out because the AP has been one of the more aggressively skeptical outlets on the Reade story so I'd like to see what the Intercept/Business Insider/Krystal Ball has to say as they have been way more in the weeds on this.
Seems like they have interviewed her several times since 2019 unlike other outlets.
Calls for Biden to open his Senate records are a red herring and the DNC and his camp are absolutely correct to push back against them.
Reade herself has said the complaint is in the national archives. The library is a fishing expedition.
Yeah, the 2019 interview is.. weird. It's from a period in time where she wasn't ready to talk about the rape yet, so that can explain a lot of the seeming contradictions vs. what she is talking about today.
But there appears to be some contradiction in here about a report being filed at all or what was in it, which is the weird part. That said Biden has asked for the national archives to be opened up regarding her so we'll hopefully know more soon.
From the reporting yesterday with Business Insider it sounds like the 'intake' form may not have been enough for it to have reached the archives at all but they are also looking into Biden's HR records from his Senate office?
I will admit, I find myself being a bit skeptical of Tara Reade. Anyone who says, "President Putin is a ...compassionate, caring, visionary leader" is going to get a lot of side eye and skepticism from me for the same reasons everyone is skeptical of Tulsi Gabbard. It puts into question all of her motives around anything to do with national politics, and unfortunately her allegation is in the center of that.
But at the same time, I want to know the truth of the matter, as much as we can all these years later. Let's get the facts. She said "her story" is in the National Archives and I've been very glad that Biden is opening that up for investigation, but now she's saying her story isn't in the Archives. So it's another moment of "hmmmm" for me. Maybe she embellished a bit in the past in order to get her voice heard. But whatever is in that report doesn't sound like it's going to really address anything to do with her main allegation. And that's not a good outcome for anyone.
But at the same time, I want to know the truth of the matter, as much as we can all these years later. Let's get the facts. She said "her story" is in the National Archives and I've been very glad that Biden is opening that up for investigation, but now she's saying her story isn't in the Archives. So it's another moment of "hmmmm" for me. Maybe she embellished a bit in the past in order to get her voice heard. But whatever is in that report doesn't sound like it's going to really address anything to do with her main allegation. And that's not a good outcome for anyone.
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If it turns out something did happen, wouldn't that mean the VP vetting process is pretty crap? That's really the only thing against the allegations, after all - that if there was something there, they'd have found it over twelve years ago when Biden was first being considered to run with Obama.
Two months ago she said she filed a complaint about his sexual harassment and worse/more (rape?).
We're still doing this hmm? Cool. People can 100% want as much information as possible before making a condemnation of Biden without resorting to " Well I'm not saying she's sketchy but Russia and hmmm ulterior motives so she gets a 'side eye'...". Gross.
Yeah that is it. Thanks for sharing-- someone posted it in that thread as well.
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing Allegations of Sexual Assault
It's naive to not think that Russia has agents and sympathizers in play with regards to the election. They want their man to win. So I am skeptical of anyone who spouts pro-Putin propaganda. So I'm just being honest about that skepticism. It's there, and I have to acknowledge it to myself. But as I said, I treat her allegation with an open mind and want the facts to come out. However it seems like the contents of the report have been described differently by Reade over time, so things are feeling a bit muddy.
Ok so we definitely are still doing " alleged assault victim from 1993" is Russian plant/in league with the Russians to " get their man elected"? Cool, you have fun with that
How do you explain the phone call to Larry King from her dead mother?
I have zero idea what you're talking about.
And for the record, if the report is there in the Archives and only alludes to harassing behavior, I think we should still consider replacing Biden because it would show a long pattern of behavior.
Her mom apparently called Larry King to talk about the assault...which just makes things weirder since why him and not the police or the people involved in the Senate or something.
By the way since I see this claim that she only changed her story recently, I'm gonna repost this since no one ever talks about it.
Look at the date. In October last year she was already saying that she didn't tell her whole story.
Or her medium post from April 2019: https://medium.com/@AlexandraTaraReade/a-girl-walks-into-the-senate-dd9ebdfce31b
Look at the date. In October last year she was already saying that she didn't tell her whole story.
Or her medium post from April 2019: https://medium.com/@AlexandraTaraReade/a-girl-walks-into-the-senate-dd9ebdfce31b
to clarify we don't know specially whether her mother called because of the assault, just that Reade had "problems"with her boss and didn't know where to go.
My thought is I believe Reade told her family and neighbor about the assault in 1993. I'm just not totally convinced yet that what she said in 1993 actually happened.
The tweet is solid evidence of her talking about not having told the whole story prior to the interview in March that brought this back into public eye, but the Medium article isn't. The Medium article appears to have been the same thing as the Union article, but the Union article version was what she'd been linking to in tweets. The Medium article was edited in late March of this year, and while there doesn't appear to be a Wayback tracking of specifically what happened when, a large part of what you quoted is not in the version of the article in the Union/that she linked to in the tweet you quoted. Union version of that section:
I don't think there's anything inherently suspicious about her editing the article--as she's come forth with more information, it'd naturally change how she wanted to talk about some of the things she discussed in it. But knowing the information contained in it helps explain why the April 2019 article didn't spur people speculating on what more happened back in 2019 itself--there weren't originally the lines indicating more to the story.
Oh, my mistake. I'm not super familiar with medium, where can I see when a post was last edited?