Painted over mustache is THE Joker look. Don't @ me.
Did he dye his hair green or was that a wig?
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Joaquin Phoenix briefly walks out of interview after being asked if 'Joker' will "inspire...tragic results." Returned after consulting with WB PR rep.
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Did he dye his hair green or was that a wig?
It would be incredible if he refused to shave his moustache but dyed his hair.
Except the post was claiming that it meant Mark Hamill's portrayal of the joker isn't a better portrayal than Leto or Phoenix, or at least the only way I can interpret what they said, when if anything the reason people dislike Leto is because the weird gangster look and personality makes him harder to take serious and be intimdated by
I've stated before my hopes that this movie doesn't turn into a Clockwork Orange/Fight Club type of situation, but even I'll admit that the pre-emptive hand-wringing over this movie has been something else.
They definitely do. They are awful people who make this movie as some sort of beacon for demented individuals, they should feel ashamed of themselves because they definitely want their views vindicated.
I assume you have kept out or reading spoilers for the movie? I have seen some on accident, there is some stuff in the movie that can possible be seen as pro incel.
You know, this post is the one that made me finally realise why this movie in particular is getting so much scrutiny. I think its a side effect of the Aurora shooter, so having a movie that the trailers suggest, might try to humanise or justify the Joker in someway, people think back to the real shooting where the shooter thought of himself as the Joker and people are scared it'll happen again
Something like 'We were careful when making the film not to glorify the violence' or 'I think entertainment is often a scapegoat for horrific acts but the causes lie elsewhere'.
You ask a question with obvious answers to get those obvious answers on record, as not addressing it reads as not considering it.
I don't think anyone wants it to happen but there's definitely a fear, earned or not, that the film will be idolized and in some way acted out on by individuals teetering on the edge. As others said this isn't the first movie from the point of view of a violent killer, but this one is gonna get a lot of play I think and so it's going to get a lot of the handwringing.
I haven't seen these spoilers, what potentially pro incel stuff are you referring to?
The joker has always been a monster, entertaining for some, but there have been acts he has committed that have been definitely been disturbing (just look at his murder of Jason Todd or his acts in The Killing Joke). Therefore, I do not see the issue.
This just feels like whenever the media attempts to blame violent video games for "inciting acts of violence".
This just feels like whenever the media attempts to blame violent video games for "inciting acts of violence".
It's because they made a version of the Joker that fits the character traits Incels and the Alt-Right have been projecting on him, and not, you know...The character traits of the freaking Joker.
People feel worried because this movie gives life to the Incel symbol, as Joker has never been depicted as a "Society turned me into this! Look what YOU made me do! Poor me!" in popular media before.
It's not that hard to understand where the worries come from.
I don't personally think this movie will be the reason of any mass shootings, but they deliberately made a movie that features what these people think the Joker is, and not the actual clown prince of crime. I kinda hate that
As he should. What a fucking stupid question.
Events that have happened for reasons we already know of, but these weak fucking idiots are trying to pin it on a film yet to be released?
This is some sick shit. Imagine thinking that a movie is what's going to inspire an event in a time where many have happened already.
Events that have happened for reasons we already know of, but these weak fucking idiots are trying to pin it on a film yet to be released?
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the writer, director, and in this case actor who carries the film by himself, all work together to create the film
and given the nature of the concern, it relates strongly to his portrayal specifically
If you say so.
I still think it's a stupid ass question to ask. Shrug.
? I feel like this is a pretty common theme in the Batman universe.
Right, which is why every time a season of 13 Reasons Why comes out, nobody makes any fuss over whether or not anyone has ever felt encouraged by the show to take their own lives. Art, as we all know, has no actual influence on anybody.
True but its never been the Joker's thing specifically because having that be the motivation for the one guy who is meant to be essentially a force of chaos more than a person kinda just feels like a justification for something that can't be justified.
Of course this is someone on my ignore list. Is that why you quoted them without a name? Ha.
From what I have heard joker is seen as a hero by the public, that he is fighting back against a corrupt Gotham. Of course I will need to view the film to see if that's in the proper perspective. Also this version of the joker seems to be a incel in terms of his motivation for his actions.
Gangster rap made me a cop killer in the 90s, video games made me kill even more people in the 00s and Joker is now going to make me an incel mass murderer.
It's almost like people want something bad to happen, just to be feel satisfied in being 'right'
Nah, they shouldn't get a free pass. Obviously it's art and they should be able to make what they want. But in a lot of ways this glorifies the crazy white male loner who is misunderstood by the world, some goes on a killing spree. It's a lazy take on the character and they shouldn't have make him start some movement, as if he's justified.
Acting as if people can't be allowed to be concerned about the movies potential impact because some forms of art have been accused of having negative effects in the past and it been wrong while responding to a comment showing an example of a piece of art that is proven to have had a negative impact seems a tad callous and bizarre to me.
Not for the Joker, ever.
Joker gives absolutely 0 shits about who he was and what he lived, that guy wasn't funny anyways.
Which is exactly the problem, this kind of movie could've worked with many Batman villains, the whole "Gotham is a cursed city" thing and all that. You could've made this movie with the Riddler, Poison Ivy, The Penguin, Mr Freeze, anyone that Gotham has fucked over and left them angry about it
But they chose to use the one character who doesn't constantly try to paint himself as some victim of the injustices of society, but the one that incels and the alt-right have made into some sort of symbol because they THINK he does and that those injustices he fights against are women not giving them sex.
The only thing that's bizarre is this film turning progressive liberals into hand wringing right wingers scared of art.
Liberals have absolutely understood the potential negative ramifications of art before this movie, with the perfect example being The Birth of A Nation
I know you have more than the intellectual depth of a puddle and can appreciate that people and the world generally are just ever so slightly more complex than that. Surely.
Or do you reject the notion that, for example, mass killings should be reported without glamour, because to report it in certain ways may result in a knock-on increase in similar events? Do you think that sexist, sexualizing, objectifying media has no effect whatsoever on the way women are treated? Do you think that racist propaganda has zero effect on the way racial minorities are treated?
Do you really think that media and art have zero ability to affect the way and things that people think and feel?
These are some pretty lofty claims without any supporting evidence. People talking about things does not mean they want something to happen.
So is the conversation now about the media or is it about art?
I'm getting dizzy from the jumping and spinning in your post.
You genuinely think its more likely people WANT a shooting rather than are concerned by the possibility of one?
Notice how he used this funny, very uncommon word known as AND to show he was talking about both media and art
I wonder what solutions those whom are against this movie propose? Censorship? I mean I'm trying to understand the logic behind it but I just can't.
A movie over 100 years old. Ah yes, I too remember the forum conversations when that film came out.
I'd ignore it, not worth spoiling yourself on a poorly supported notion. Just seems to be one of those things people want to believe without anything substantial to support it.
You must have a delicate constitution. The film is both, and both are capable of doing those things. There's no great leaps being made in my post, unlike your response to my original post where you turned my "art can be influential" into "I've played GTA and I'VE NEVER KILLED ANYONE."
The conversation was about art. Suddenly jumping to media coverage is an entirely different conversation and not what we were discussing.
It was an attempt to pivot the conversation and muddy it. It's like I'm in the fox news Twitter comment section.
IF, and this is an if, the movie glorify's its version of the Joker then the best solution would have been to not make the film in the first place. Since that obvously didn't happen then if does do that, the next best thing is for people to make it clear that it doing so was not okay and shouldn't be done. Doesn't need banned or anything like that. It would just need to be
Only bringing it up to show how film's can have negative societal impacts so people acting as if it being art should mean people can't be concerned about its impact is silly.
Its age doesn't change the fact it is an example of how art can affect society negatively
My post was calling attention to the fact these conversations are bizarre and have been happening my entire lifetime and have always been stupid and an attempt to attach blame to art instead of examining the root causes.
Joker is getting attention because its holding up a mirror to what is already there. And people are upset because it is easier to attack the film than address the real issues.
I will always call out that stupidity and brainless conversation.
The US was doing so well on race relations before that fim too. Shame.
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