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JK Rowling proves she is nothing but a hateful TERF in essay ‘TERF wars’
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They had another TERF (Also proof that just because you have the title of Professor, doesn't mean you're not a bigot. Although what a professor of philosophy has to do with transgender issues is something I'd love to ask the BBC) on Radio 5 Live defending this trash this morning.
Danced around trying to sound like they're not transphobic as hell, saying "well we keep men out of women only groups not because of the majority of men being abusers but because of the minority so keeping transgender people out is a safeguard against that minority" as if it wasn't utterly repugnant to say it and the presenters just didn't challenge the bigotry *at all*.
The UK is so far behind in transgender issues it's not even funny.
Which philosophy professor was it? I teach Philosophy to A Level students and like to keep up to date with transgender issues to try and combat some of the bigoted views kids have often got elsewhere and to help students with any issues feel they have someone to talk to (I work in an all boys school and some of the staff are a tad reactionary).
Would like to know in case they talk about going to the University the Professor works at!
Ah I didn't catch their name but if you have access to BBC Sounds it was on approx 8am this morning.
Thanks for posting this, great thread.
Looking into it, the essay really is pretty insiduous. Without knowing a lot about the topic, "rapid onset gender dysphoria" sounds like an accepted scientific term, when it's not, and Lisa Littman's paper (who's painted by JKR as a hero fighting against misinformation for saying it's just a "social contagion") is clearly based on biased methodology. She only asked parents, and sourced the surveys only through 3 anti-trans websites? Anyone can see the results can't be objective.
Also, JKR sure is lucky to have friends who know her series so well
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So yall read this shit, shrug it away and then say you can play the new sparkly Harry Potter game with no worries? Is that were your empathy ends? She even fucking denied how transphobia causes the high number of suicides within the trans community.
Performative woke people are the worst.
Performative woke people are the worst.
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Personally as I stated in that thread, I won't never be comsuming any media she created or is associated with again. Separating art from the artist in this case is bullshit.
As a trans woman I'm pretty angry about all this jk needs to shut the fuck up and actually think about the people she hurts on a daily basis. But she probably won't and will continue to be an idiot who's only desire is to go"but actually" about bathrooms when nobody is even wanting her opinion on it.
As someone who has never read the HP books and only see the first film I don't really have much knowledge of her but seriously the only times I do hear about her is when she's slagging off trans people and I find that just a bizarre hill to choose to die on. Just leave people be.
Kathleen Stock, University of Sussex.
Known transphobe according to Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathleen_Stock
BBC Radio 5 Live - 5 Live Breakfast, 11/06/2020
Nicky Campbell and Rachel Burden with news and sport from the UK and around the world.
1 hour 25 to 35 minutes.
Just wanted to say that I'm doing the same.
On a related note; my partner is trans and yesterday he broke down in tears after reading some of the horrific shit she wrote. We have been HP fans since the 90s and it breaks both of our hearts that this thing we have loved since childhood was created by someone so closed minded and cruel. She is pure scum, horrible horrible woman.
Professor of philosophy should be the right person to dismiss this shit.
Oppression is a big part of political philosophy, which has justice as its foundation, i.e. it's best thought of as a part of, or partner to, moral philosophy. They should be able to point out that it is being denied belonging as a man or a woman that is what threatens safety. They should be able to point out the bullshit of 'lifeboat politics' that says we need to let these people drown because there are only so many seats to go around. Fuck off with that shit when it is the very actions of these TERFs that contribute to the need for support in the first place.
A professor of philosophy should do what I have always seen in our department, which is them calmly and systematically dismantling bullshit by going straight past the rhetoric and knocking down every single piece of 'support'.
Can I ask how you do this? It's something I think I should do but I have no idea how to!
Stop It thanks - will listen
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Ok, fair comments, but they took that idea and went "but actually".
And the breakfast presenters just let her spout transphobic hate and get deferential treatment because she was a professor.
Utterly disgraceful for the BBC to book someone against trans rights to defend someone who is transphobic.
Please let me know what you think because it set me right off but you appear a far cooler head than me heh.
Yeah - I have no idea where to even start!
I was also wondering would it look like I'm standing against such rights with the way my avatar is posed, which is something I really don't want to do - or am I overthinking this?
Why does she feel so compelled to speak about this? What utter garbage and an awful awful viewpoint.
Professor Slughorn actually calls Ron "Ralph" by mistake once in The Half Blood Prince, Linehan might actually be a superfan by using such an obscure reference :O
I'm all for allowing people to speak their minds. Even people like Rowling who spews out bullshit.
I'd prefer they STFU but I'm also fine with learning about who they really are so I don't have to support them anymore.
I'd prefer they STFU but I'm also fine with learning about who they really are so I don't have to support them anymore.
It's not an argument, it's a manipulation tactic. He's using the parasocial relationship that audiences have with Rowling's characters to pressure them into supporting Rowling's stance.
If you like and approve of Harry Potter fighting against the evils of bigotry, then you obviously approve of Rowling's statements. And you do like Harry Potter, don't you? That small but brave little boy you read about at night as a child even after your parents told you to go to bed? You wouldn't abandon Harry Potter, would you? So stand with Rowling then.
The current tactic to defend Rowling is to say everyone criticizing her transphobia is misogynistic.
Just listened to it and it's bad. If any of this comes off as wrong or I use terms that are incorrect on my part please feel free to correct me - I'm a cisgender straight white male so I know my experience is vastly different to people going through such issues and, although I do try and read up on it I'm always willing to be corrected regarding anything I say.
Firstly - and most obviously - was the lack of equal representation. There was nobody arguing from the perspective of trans men or women and pointing out the flaws in their argument. This was then doubled down with the final comment from a listener who said something along the lines of 'they didn't even understand what the prof was talking about'. I'm sure that person meant no harm and there would be a lot of listeners for BBC Radio 5 who aren't aware of these issues - so why didn't BBC use the time to go here's a link to a website you can visit that explains them - or even better have a trans person talk about it and give links. The final point simply allows a lot of people to go 'well, I don't really understand it either but that's okay, isn't it.'
The Professor's argument is also something I would have laughed at as an undergraduate, so given she's the Professor I'm pretty shocked. The argument regarding the toilet was:
'Minority groups need safe spaces to ensure their safety'
'To ensure the safety of one minority we need to make it illegal for another - smaller - minority to enter such spaces'
Those two premises pretty much contradict each other - it's a fallacy that should be spotted straight away.
rowling can write good child characters because it's coming from her childlike brain
Basically my thoughts but thanks for the sanity check.
That was shite work by the BBC there. May well put a complaint in for discrimination.
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Probably the most disappointing celebrity moment for me so far. She is a great ally on so many topics, but then completely fucks it up with this bullshit. Can't believe she doubled down on this hateful rhetoric. Especially the things she went through should make her more compassionate for trans struggles, not the opposite
the best outcome now is someone finding a dead body and it's found out they were the ones who wrote the first 5 books
i'm still surprised people can watch the films without falling asleep tho
i'm still surprised people can watch the films without falling asleep tho
Haha, I happen to know somebody who literally falls asleep everytime he has seen Harry Potter.
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in theaters i fell asleep watching every one and only paid for my ticket for 2 of them. i couldn't tell you a single thing that happened in any of then except Harry talks to a snake
JK is early 90's Roseanne or late 90's Brett Butler
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Completely agree.
Being a philosophy professor doesn't make you morally superior or mean that your opinion is worth anything.
Firstly, fuck TERFs and fuck Rowling. Now, my thoughts about the whole Harry Potter mess go like this-
It's like someone was offering me chocolates from a box. And boy were these chocolates delicious.
But then they tell me that the box with chocolates also contained cat shit. Well fuck.
And then they offer me another chocolate. I'm gagging, feeling nauseous, and I refuse.
"But I thought you found those chocolates delicious?" they say.
They were. But now I wanna vomit them all out. And I really don't want any more.
It's like someone was offering me chocolates from a box. And boy were these chocolates delicious.
But then they tell me that the box with chocolates also contained cat shit. Well fuck.
And then they offer me another chocolate. I'm gagging, feeling nauseous, and I refuse.
"But I thought you found those chocolates delicious?" they say.
They were. But now I wanna vomit them all out. And I really don't want any more.
son: this Harry Potter series is great, dad
dad: it is indeed, son
son: who made it?
dad: no one. it came from space
dad: it is indeed, son
son: who made it?
dad: no one. it came from space
The odd thing is that you'd hope that philosophy professors would somehow know that. But they never in my experience do. One of my favourite examples of this is - long read but interesting:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/12/berkeley-sarah-lawrence-professor-house-rental-saga/
I really appreciate that, from one marginalized LGBTQ+ group to another!