Character Development in TLJ is just a meme. Doesn't actually do much that wasn't already done for Finn or Rey and Poe doesn't have an Arc that makes sense.. He continues to be a dumbass until they need a leader to replace Leia and he does??
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JJ Abrams on The Last Jedi
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But we had to pick up right where we left off. Of course he's still dealing with all of this.
You can criticize the decision to start immediately after TFA, but it many ways the ending of TFA is what caused that.
Rian played the hand he was dealt by JJ to perfection.
Agreed. He'll be better off, SW will be better off, and we'll be better off.
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Oh ok. I'm assuming people caught on to his full time job of shitting on SW and needed to start fresh. Now he's going in even harder...
That's gotta rough to hear if you're Rian Johnson, but TLJ did leave a bitter taste for sure.
I still contend that if the movie ended when Kylo offed Snoke and offered his hand to Rey, it would have gone down as one of the greatest Star Wars movies ever.
I still contend that if the movie ended when Kylo offed Snoke and offered his hand to Rey, it would have gone down as one of the greatest Star Wars movies ever.
He's full of shit, and I don't think Daisy actually knows anything about the scriptwriting process for these movies. She's just going by what the known liar said.
I caught that edit. You literally popped into that other thread just to say you were bookmarking it for later with a history of shitting on the film, you don't get to call others douchebags.
Knives Out is also going to have like a 3-4x box office to budget multiplier. That's very strong for any budget range. Dude is going to be able to do whatever he wants to next. Financially that's two very successful films in a row and in Hollywood that buys you a lot of leverage.
Chris Nolan was basically "made" after Batman Begins, if not The Dark Knight, he's been able to do whatever he wants since then. He hasn't had to do a Batman movie in a long time to get to do any other project.
Rian Johnson could easily get a 100+ million picture next time out if that's what he wants now.
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Difference between talking badly about people and talking ominously about a movie . Also I decided to not be harsh and edit it out and pm him instead because I realized it was a bad idea.
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Not at all.
Rian Johnson said it was the best shoot of his life in an interview I heard him give. I believe him.
"Production" is probably the wrong word to use there. A film's actual production can go smoothly, but the opinions of the actors about story decisions are a completely different thing.
But ultimately this isn't some "everyone gets a vote" either. It's the screenwriter's story and everyone else is there in service to bring that to the screen.
So you calling me a douchebag now? Bro I'm just calling you out. You pray for this movie to fail all day. It's pathetic. You're lucky I don't report people even though this place would be a lot better without people like you.
Fuck me I hate TLJ takes on this website.
When does Finn stop caring about only himself and/or Rey in TFA. When does Rey get the childhood trauma of being abandoned by her parents? Can you link those scenes in TFA?
Pretty sure she was talking about the general situation. The movie went a couple of weeks without director or writer.
Listened to an interview with Chris Terrio, the writer of TROS where he said that he didn't read Trevorrow's script.
I believe him. JJ probably read it though and left some fragments in there since Trevorrow is officially getting credit.
Good to know!
Must be a part of the contract that garanteed a story credit regardless of what th final product would be.
Also Chris Terrio is the only writer credited on this movie I believe. J.J. only has a story credit.
EDIT: J.J. is credited as a writer too, my bad.
EDIT: J.J. is credited as a writer too, my bad.
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Yeah the WGA is kinda anal about the whole crediting thing, so colin still gets credit even if virtually nothing he wrote ends on the movie
Yeah I saw it on IMDB, sometimes it can be messy before the movies release, especially when a project has been shuffled around like this one.
You were talking to Gunslinger not me and you actively brought shit from another thread to try to call me out. It wasn't related at all.
You were even warned for antagonizing me by the mods.
Think about TLJ what you will, but the idea that what JJ left Rian with was some kind of deterministic requirement that TLJ tell the EXACT same story it did is ludicrous. In a world where you can traverse the universe through hyperspace and move a story from point to point quickly, there's no reason that Rian couldn't have taken what was left and told an entirely different (and hopefully more satisfying) story than what we got.
I wouldn't weep too much ... Rian Johnson is likely going to get paid $3-$5+ million on his next directing gig and likely has earned enough catchet within Hollywood to be able to work for another 10-12 years at least.
After watching Rise of Skywalker I'm avoiding all online discussion like the plague. Just gonna go see the movie, enjoy it, absorb its themes personally but outside of discussing it IRL with friends, forget it. Online fan toxicity has been a rabid curse on SW ever since TPM.
Bryce Howard cast as a new resistance fighter who fights and runs around in stupid high heel boots in every single scene at Howard's moronic insistence.
Bryce Howard cast as a new resistance fighter who fights and runs around in stupid high heel boots in every single scene at Howard's moronic insistence.
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Why are you not banned for insulting other members?
Maybe you can answer the following questions then if this is the premise of your argument:
1.When does Finn stop caring about only himself and/or Rey in TFA.Aka, when does his character arc progress past this line:
2.When does Rey come to terms with and/or get over the childhood trauma of being abandoned by her parents?
Can you link to those scenes in TFA? The premise of your argument is that the story is the EXACT same story and thus it would mean that these characters moved past these character flaws already in TFA. So by all means, please link to those scenes. 😃
JJ did not force a direct followup, you absolutely could have done a substantial time skip of years even. You did not need to pick up directly where TFA left off wothRry meeting Luke.
The issue is that middle films are exactly where you want to be adding planks to and fleshing out your story.
This was something that was already needed more so than usual coming off of TFA.
And instead of doing that, TLJ ended up doing the exact opposite. Worse yet it was a poorly charted deconstruction that then only tepidly walked back from the implications of its own method, leaving the setup flattened from where it was before.
It also doubled down on bad elements from TFA such and poor worldbuilding, issues with characters such as Finn, and did nothing to move the actual story forward. Not only that but all of the B plots were either unecessary or retreads of TFA with at best insufficient gradation to justify largely repeating from the prior film.
TFA is not perfect, but the mystery boxes weren't going nowhere, things like Rey's parentage were clearly setup to go in a certain direction and TLJ doesn't spend remotely enough time on 'your parents we're actually nobodies'to make that anything other than a take backsies.
Did it though? He wrote/directed the movie, if he wanted to start off the movie with a time jump he could've.
They could've time jumped to Rey training with Luke, or time jumped to Rey being back and the movie slowly revealing to you that Luke turned her down etc...
I don't think she's lying. I think she's repeating what a known liar told her.
Here's what Kathleen Kennedy says they did during TFA :
Kathleen Kennedy Addresses Criticisms Of A Lack Of Pre-Planning For The Star Wars Sequel Trilogy
Kathleen Kennedy: Well, first of all, when we sat down to do Force Awakenswe spent a great deal of time working out all three movies and doing a real deep dive on the previous six and talking about that, understanding the mythology that George [Lucas] had created, bringing in people who had worked on those films, been a part of Lucasfilm. We brought in two or three different writers. There were, what? Eight of us usually sitting in that room and whiteboarding what the possibilities are and looking at character arcs, identifying. Because George had already gone to Harrison [Ford], Carrie [Fisher] and Mark [Hamill] to do the film. So we knew that was a given. That we were bringing them back into the trilogy and we're introducing new characters. So we had a sense of where this was going.
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This gels with the comments from Daisy Ridley that Abrams (and co, in reality) had outlines for all three films. That 'where it would go' was outlined during TFA.
She also makes clear that that her personal perspective it to leave the final say solely with the directors, which sounds like a bonkers mistake on something like this, and here we are.
It's unlikely that they're all lying together.
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ehhh this is probably more of a guild obligation than any sign of Treverrow's actual involvement. if you take a look at, say, the new Star Trek series, every single producer that's ever been attached to it has an EP credit. it's gone through like four showrunners in two seasons and they're all in the opening crawl despite it being pretty much impossible for them to have any actual input in the show at this point
Why are people like you the way that you are? What happened in your life?
I have to say though, TLJ Stans are going wild on social media; harassing Ridley and Boyega for "betraying" Rian Johnson.
"There are her-....villains on both sides. Evil is everywhere."
Knives Out, along with his previous work, is certainly an indication of where Rian's talents belong. Franchise films don't suit him at all, especially when he's pigeonholed into working with established characters, arcs, and plot lines.
I'm lukewarm on TLJ and love TFA but here's an odd take: Rian Johnson should have kickstarted this whole sequel trilogy off in the first place if he was to be involved at all.
I'm lukewarm on TLJ and love TFA but here's an odd take: Rian Johnson should have kickstarted this whole sequel trilogy off in the first place if he was to be involved at all.
Awaiting the take where they state that the actors just didn't get it.
First I get great cameos in DC's shows that take me back to my college years and now JJ and crew are shitting on TLJ. This week keeps getting better.
This is a pretty reasonable perspective. Knives Out is a treat, and I don't think RJ is well suited to 'jumping in' on established franchises mid stream at all. That doesn't mean that his own Trilogy can't be good.
That said, his best stories are his own and we can see a pattern of them all being smaller stories. I don't think he's yet adept at juggling 'large scale' narratives.
That's why so much of TLJ forced things into a very static situation (we are... slowwwwwwwwllllyyyy running out of.... fffffuuuueeeel...), it was a lot of busy work and wheel spinning with a ton of 'talking to the audience' exposition. The main focus was something quite small (Rey/Kylo/Luke), and is probably by no coincidence the best parts of the film.
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