huh, thats not the line at all.
han says that some think he went looking for the first jedi temple.
he doesnt even know
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JJ Abrams on The Last Jedi
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huh, thats not the line at all.
han says that some think he went looking for the first jedi temple.
he doesnt even know
Well, The Last Jedi is trending and my entire Twitter feed is about it.
A couple tweets I enjoyed:
A couple tweets I enjoyed:
Here is the opening crawl to the Last jedi
Here Rian sets out one of the central themes. The people's hope is reliant on a savior. And while Luke does come and restores hope, the hope comes not from "yay Luke will save the day" but instead it's the story of his heroics, the heroics of the resistance, and also the stories of what happens on the Casino Planet, that inspires others to stand up.
In other words they realize "we are the ones we've been waiting for".
Because if the Republic is going to survive, they can't rely on a savior. They have to rely on each other, being inspired by the stories of those who have come before.
Here Rian sets out one of the central themes. The people's hope is reliant on a savior. And while Luke does come and restores hope, the hope comes not from "yay Luke will save the day" but instead it's the story of his heroics, the heroics of the resistance, and also the stories of what happens on the Casino Planet, that inspires others to stand up.
In other words they realize "we are the ones we've been waiting for".
Because if the Republic is going to survive, they can't rely on a savior. They have to rely on each other, being inspired by the stories of those who have come before.
It wont take disney long to make another Skywalker trilogy.
The point is, walking away from everything is a defeatist attitude to have and something unique to Luke's exile story.
Obi Wan and Yoda (according to the prequels) went into exile either out of fear, to stay hidden or to look after Luke.
Luke explicitly walked away from his problems because he felt responsible for what happened with Ben and this was established in The Force Awakens.
[went looking for the Jedi temple]
"not the line at all"
some think he went looking for the first jedi temple
What are you even trying to do here?
And obviously he did go looking for the temple and enough people had good assumptions which is why everyone was desperate to be the first to get the "map to Luke Skywalker" which was actually a map to the temple.
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Love or hate TFA, it did set up a number of dangling plot threads. Who's Rey, and why is she such a natural with the force? Who's Snoke? What's Luke been doing this whole time? Could Ben still be redeemed? Even as someone who thought TFA was entirely too derivative, that's what got my butt in the theater seat to see TLJ, "mystery boxes" be damned.
By the end of The Last Jedi, all of those plot threads are gone, and almost nothing was left in its place. Luke is dead, Snoke is dead, Rey is a nobody, and she literally shuts the door on Ben at the end. It sets up nothing beyond the fact that the war between the Resistance and First Order will continue. Who could've seen that coming?
I don't hate TLJ, even if it is flawed. But it does a terrible job of creating intrigue for what's coming next. As someone who saw TFA the day it came out and TLJ the day it came out, I don't have much interest in seeing RoS, beyond maybe renting it when it comes out on blu-ray.
ding ding ding ding ding
I never thought I'd see the themes and storytelling of a Star Wars film go over people's heads, but the incessant misinterpretations of TLJ have proven otherwise
Rey's a clone doncha know?
See when she was in that room and there were all these other versions of herself ....
The point is that TLJ could have take the story in whatever direction it wanted. And its clear from these tidbits from JJ that its not where he envisioned the story going.
TFA tells us Luke felt guilty over Kylo and left looking for the Jedi temple. You can just as easily follow this up with Luke going to the temple to find a solution to the problem as opposed to the cynical view the TLJ took with Luke going to the temple to tear it down.
People act like Rian Johnson had no other options and that's simply not the case.
Yeah, but I often times question the negative posts:
These threads have literally become battlegrounds for people to debate their opinion on an obviously divisive movie. So the fact that there is a debate at all means your cheeky comments are completely devoid of any thought, or you're just trolling. I can't quite put my fingers on it yet though.
why did it need to do that?
i still dont fucking understand this
rotj already did that in 1983
this "skywalker saga" horseshit is such a dumb retcon. episode 9 is is supposed to wrapping up the new trilogy they started with TFA
but suddenly someone decided it was going to tie together 9 movies, 6 of which were made years ago and have nothing to do with any of this shit and already have their own conclusions
what problem exactly? Ben turning to the dark side? how the first jedi temple would have helped with that? a purifying machine?! i kyber crystal that absors the darkside?
what?
also RJ had to explain why the fuck, even after trillions of people died because of Starkiller base, he didnt show up at all.
To be fair I've even seen TLJ fans miss this.
I remember when it first came out a lot of people took Ben's "Let the past die" as a good thing and were using it to say "forget about those old things they don't matter."
It only became that after it was clear TFA+TLJ left them nowhere to go with the sequel cast.
Not only when it came out, really. There are still people saying that unironically.
Simultaneously one of the most powerful displays of the Force ever put to film and also the most bizarre.
Well it was gonna be Jurassic World guy before that right? I'd probably cry too. It's not like she was relieved that Rian wasn't coming back.
That's true, but what Rian did isn't an out of left field betrayal of what we know about Luke in TFA, it's a compatible continuation. People are entitled to not like the direction they went in, but Rian at least looked at where the characters left off in the previous movie and wrote plausible continuations.
Star Wars is such a paradox, like any fantasy series that becomes famous: it starts as something that should not be explained, then with time it adds layers of realism to each element, until it becomes another reality. At that point, it risks becoming predictable, boring or simply disappointing since it can't match the answers that the people perceived at the beginning.
On top of that, lots of people see Star Wars as science fiction, not fantasy, which doesn't help.
On top of that, lots of people see Star Wars as science fiction, not fantasy, which doesn't help.
I don't know. I'm not a writer. He could have gone to commune with his father to better understand what it takes to return form the dark side for all I know and somehow been detached from the force in his effort.
Again, I'm not a writer but just because you can't image a scenario other than the one TLJ presented doesn't mean they don't exist.
Agreed.
i can imagine a bunch of scenarios.
but why? why i would gain with that?
the movie is done and it is what it is.
and i actually like what they did.
let it go.
Han Solo already established that Luke was a broken guy. He told us that he walked away from everything because he felt responsible. Whatever happened with the temple was open for interpretation, though.
You're in a thread about JJ's view on TLJ.
Again, I question what exactly you're trying to accomplish here?
Yeah the more people peel back the layers of a fantasy world's mythos the more the depth of the writing is exposed and it becomes writer vs audience in maintaining intrigue.
lol that's actually the best way I've ever heard someone put it.
What's wrong with the ending? And how are peoples praise of the movie in a vacuum, meaning they are not the majority? or alternatively because they're in a bubble of denial regarding the movie being somehow "objectively" bad? If so there only seems to be one vacuum here and the fans aren't in it.
I meant the ending of the ST, my apologies if it wasn't clear enough I will edit.
Could people please stop being cheeky with these implied spoilers?
Oh comeon, give him a break. He gave nothing of worth away in that post.
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Why does that bother you? We are talking about this franchise, is it that impolite to openly wonder about certains part of the fandoms will react to the ending?
Oh you haven't seen anything yet lol
Just two weeks left! I am excited for this movie though, loved VII!
Even the Lucas version though basically had the "Luke has gone crazy" (ie: Col Kurtz in Apocalypse Now) thing though.
Why would Luke just stay on an island knowing his sister and the "Resistance" are in dire straights, the setup kinda implies something has gone very, very wrong for Luke.
I find that crawl weird because at the end of TFA the resistance destroys starkiller ships so the FO is weakened and TLJ picks up one or two days after TFA. So how was the resistance forces was decimated?
Yeah, as someone who already had total and severe mental breakdown, I could really relate to Luke in this. My favorite aspect of TLJ.
People saying "But that isn't like Luke! He would never!" don't realise that your mental health can absolutely make you do shit you would have never dreamed possible, and do shit you will absolutely regret.
Ahhhh! In that case I wonder too. I loved both movies. Interested to see a JJ film possibly wrapping up things but I have a bad feeling about that.
because the FO is not only starkiller,
they had conquered a bunch of planets already without using starkiller base not even once.
so their power doesnt come from starkiller
Or Trevorrow's initial ideas were a disaster and they were reacting to that.
Both JJ and Rian got a bit too cute with all this and made it more high concept than it had to be, I would agree with that.
Luke should've shown up in Act III of TFA, ultimately all the jumping through hoops to put him on an island, build an entire movie with a payoff of handing him a lightsaber, and then having the 2nd movie have to deal with all his baggage wasn't worth it dramatically in the end.
Luke should've shown up in Act III of TFA, ultimately all the jumping through hoops to put him on an island, build an entire movie with a payoff of handing him a lightsaber, and then having the 2nd movie have to deal with all his baggage wasn't worth it dramatically in the end.
What planets are they shown to have conquered besides Star Killer base in TFA?
We see a total of what 1 star destroyer which is Kylo Ren's / Hux's and Star Killer Base from the First Order in TFA. Hardly some extremely powerful group in the absence of Star Killer Base.
TLJ is where they suddenly have a giant fleet and own everything, not TFA.