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JJ Abrams' Editor: "It was The Last Jedi the one that undid everything in the previous film"

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excelsiorlef said:
Oh well I was just fucking around

But sure "gotcha"
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I mean you just tried to call out someone's credentials when you were too lazy to even click through to see who they actually were. Now you're on-record as putting sarcastic quote marks around the word "editor" in reference to an editor who was literally nominated for an Oscar.

Take the L

Fj0823 said:
I mean...Into Darkness is on that list too...
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Yeah, and she was nominated for an Oscar due to her work on The Force Awakens.

Maybe trying to call out the credentials of professionals with decades of experience in film because they don't agree with you is a bad idea.
 

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How are people still talking about this stuff? Are you not exhausted spending so much time and energy constantly bringing up the same old things over and over and over and over?
 
Wallace Wells

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jaggies said:
The things The Last Jedi "undid" were some of TFA's biggest flaws, though. Like how TFA set up the expectation that Rey's parentage would be a big reveal, because in Star Wars everybody is secretly related to someone. TLJ masterfully played with defying that audience expectation and said, no, the Force is bigger than that, this universe is bigger than that, Rey's not special just because of who she's related to. And then TROS was all, "nope! It's not and she is."
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excelsiorlef

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Plum said:
I mean you just tried to call out someone's credentials when you were too lazy to even click through to see who they actually were. Now you're on-record as putting sarcastic quote marks around the word "editor" in reference to an editor who was literally nominated for an Oscar.

Take the L
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I don't like to steal letters

But sure I was wrong apologies
 

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i dont blame RJ or JJ, this falls on Kathleen, if your plan was to play fucking star wars mad libs, this is what you get. JJ should've done it all, or at least lay down a template for the whole trilogy before they even fimed one scene, hearing each director was just going to riff off the next was always going to end this way.

im not saying this trilogy would be amazeballs if they did it that way, but at least itd be consistent and probably have a conclusion that feels earned
 
Naijaboy

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If that was your plan all along, you were better off taking Rian Johnson's credit. People would have given you as much crap.
 
Tokio Blues

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And if we go all agree that the entire ST its a big mess, and the only good movie is TFA and ROGUE ONE. ? Are we ok with that?
 
Ryan.

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I don't think I understand the idea of TLJ undoing what TFA did. It answered questions that TFA presented. It's just those answers weren't answers people wanted or expected.
 
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SunBroDave said:
There's been no shortage of people involved in TROS's production that have had no problem shitting on TLJ. Whether it's this person (or the other editor in the interview who did edit TROS) shitting on TLJ or not, the point is: TROS is shit in nearly aspect, including the editing. So for anyone involved in this trainwreck to dump on TLJ is not a good look
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The quote that the thread is based around wasn't from Maryann Brandon though. This is what Brandon said:

Brandon added about "Last Jedi," "It's a completely different take on the Star Wars saga. To Ryan's credit, he stuck to what he wanted to do. He wanted to deconstruct the saga and open it up to go a different direction. That is the film he made. I know it's controversial. Isn't that kind of good in a way? You bring in new elements. That's why I say I feel very much in hindsight that the trilogy, the last part of the trilogy, needed one vision."
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Not exactly enough to call her "trash" over imo.

But I suppose "The Rise of Skywalker's Editor says that the trilogy needed one vision, but admires RJ for taking Star Wars in a different direction," would generate less anger and clicks than what we have now.
 
Schreckweg 5000

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Septy said:
The force awakens was a sequel movie under the brand of the sky walker saga. If the movie were set in a different time period and had no connection to the previous movies it would be alright if she wasn't related to the main cast. But it's not, this is a sequel and she should be related to the cast and a continuation of the sky walker story. It makes no sense. The reason it seems like everyone is related is because the story revolves around a family. I feel like not enough people realize this. If the prequels are the story of Anakin, and the OT is the story of his son Luke, then it only makes sense for the sequels to be the story of Luke's children. You know, like the whole "Skywalker Saga" suggests, and it's how it was originally envisioned by Lucas who the sequels would be about which is what JJ adapted his story from.
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But she is not related to the Skywalkers, instead she is related to a singular character who has no family? And there is zero payoff to that in 2 movies beyond oh my gosh?
 
Pantaghana

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If Abrams didn't want anyone to "undo" what he did, maybe he shouldn't have forced in a pointless mysterybox subplot only to leave it have it unresolved by the end of the movie.
 
Pop-O-Matic

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I'd ask for someone to freeze me until we're done with fucking star wars arguments, but then I wouldn't be un-thawed until alien archeologists come to the now un-inhabitable rock to study the remains of our civilization.
 
Kabuki Waq

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Having re-wached the new trilogy awakens feels like such a pedestrian remake while last jedi felt like a intriguing step forward(other than the abysmal casino storyline) rise was just amateurish garbage that did not pay off any of last jedi's promise.
 
Kinthey

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The whole trilogy just lacked a singular vision. People always say that the original trilogy also had no "plan" laid out from the start but at least Lucas was always deeply involved
 
Crimsonskies

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This info whatever opinions people may have on the Last Jedi reveals that were two very different visions for the trilogy clashing.

And when it comes to a trilogy were one story is told through three movies having competing visions clashing is never a good idea.

The complete storyline or atleast the main plot points should have been worked out before the first movie ever started shooting.

I hope they do not repeat this mistake with any installments.
 
Aadiboy

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Considering how shit the editing of RoS was, I don't think he really has the right to criticize TLJ.
 
Winston1

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I mean, he's not wrong. The Last Jedi is obviously not anything like what JJ envisioned when he did The Force Awakens.
 
Aureon

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I'm still really baffled at how they managed not to get the main story beats for the whole trilogy down in advance.
It's a really incredible display of amateurism at Disney\Lucasfilm for what's a eleven-digit franchise.
 
Toa Axis

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ITT people who have not read the article. The editor in question didn't actually work on TroS, and is basically just imparting their own opinions and perspectives.

The voracity of those thoughts are questionable, I think. The idea that TLJ tried to undo TFA just doesn't hold much water, I think. It might *feel* that way since Rian and JJ have exceedingly different storytelling sensibilities, but TLJ used its predecessor as a springboard more than anything - most major beats from the last film were addressed and used to push the cast forward in new and interesting ways. Most importantly, earned ways. The Last Jedi properly sets and and earns literally every single beat, and it couldn't do that without the things that The Force Awakens set up. It just couldn't.
 
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Copenap said:
But that is pretty obvious, are there people thinking differently? In the end it is Disneys fault for not planning the trilogy end to end but on an individual movie basis it was TLJ that just ignored everything set up in TFA.
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Agreed, and then TROS ignored pretty much everything in TLJ. The editor is not wrong on the first part at least. The trilogy is a mess through and through. At least TLJ is a good movie on its own. But. Only on its own.
 
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jaggies said:
The things The Last Jedi "undid" were some of TFA's biggest flaws, though. Like how TFA set up the expectation that Rey's parentage would be a big reveal, because in Star Wars everybody is secretly related to someone. TLJ masterfully played with defying that audience expectation and said, no, the Force is bigger than that, this universe is bigger than that, Rey's not special just because of who she's related to. And then TROS was all, "nope! It's not and she is."
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Yep! The Rian Johnson Episode 9 would have been rad. If you read the leaked Trevvorrow script, it sounds much more in line with where Rian was going, would have been a very interesting departure, still a lot of flaws but way more Star Wars then what we got.
 
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Ryan. said:
I don't think I understand the idea of TLJ undoing what TFA did. It answered questions that TFA presented. It's just those answers weren't answers people wanted or expected.
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Exactly.

It's a deliberate subversion of audience expectation in ways, but it didn't feel like it was showing a lack of unity with the previous installment, in the way that TROS definitely did. Like, TROS literally has to pull the "from a certain point of view" card to justify characters saying the exact opposite of what they said in the previous installment, and it almost comically throws the character TLJ introduced under the bus. TLJ didn't ever have anything like that.

And I think TLJ trying to subvert audience expectation in some ways was necessary. You can't just make three films of the same nostalgia trip over and over.
 
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SunBroDave said:
Uh... who called her trash? Certainly not me or anyone you quoted in that post
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"Dumbass"
"Dingus"
"Too much time on their hands,""
"Can't say shit about films."
"Fuck off,"
(Implied through scare-quotes) "They aren't even a proper editor."
"Pathetic"
"I hate that guy"

All on the first two pages.

excelsiorlef said:
You told me to Take the L

I only buy letters. I'm no thief.
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So you're just going to take the piss after being toxic about someone you were too lazy to learn anything about?

Fine.
 
RadzPrower

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LewieP said:
No I mean even stuff from chronologically prior to that.
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Once you're in an alternate timeline, that can affect both the past and present. Hypothetically, you go forward in time to the Kelvin equivalent of First Contact. All the changes that have happened from the time Nero showed up until the Borg attack on Earth affect what happens when/if they go back in time to Cochran's first warp. That, in turn, affects everything from that point forward.

The same could be said for Benjamin Sisko, Katherine Janeway, and Jonathan Archer's time travel incidents as well. Time, when time travel is involved, is by necessity no longer linear.
 
Dysun

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The whole trilogy sucked, arguing over who undid what is a waste of time and effort. Episode 7 was only half decent due to a shameless nostalgia grab of remaking Episode 4.
 
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jaggies said:
The things The Last Jedi "undid" were some of TFA's biggest flaws, though. Like how TFA set up the expectation that Rey's parentage would be a big reveal, because in Star Wars everybody is secretly related to someone. TLJ masterfully played with defying that audience expectation and said, no, the Force is bigger than that, this universe is bigger than that, Rey's not special just because of who she's related to. And then TROS was all, "nope! It's not and she is."
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This post sums up how I feel about the new trilogy. The 1st had these worthless mystery boxes, the 2nd flipped everything and at first pissed me off since it got rid of those so haphazardly. But then the third showed they had absolutely no plan and scrapped up an ending and retroactively made me appreciate the 2nd more.
 
HamSandwich

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And so begins the journey into the future where TLJ will be the most talked about Star Wars movie in this trilogy.
 

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TLJ is bad regardless of following the previous movie plot lines or not.
It is just a boring pointless mess that ignores the core fundamentals of storytelling.

Being a slap in the face of SW fans and its cannon was just the cherry in the top.
 
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excelsiorlef said:
I edited in and said I was wrong.

But lol toxic about something so meaningless.
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Editing a half-assed apology after being called out ain't exactly admitting you're wrong, but sure, I'll leave it there.

And it's not "meaningless." The kind of rhetoric you and everyone else was spouting just makes things much more toxic when it comes to people's relationships with the creators of their work. Even if she had edited TRoS she didn't deserve having her credentials as a professional editor called out just because she criticised TLJ, and she definitely didn't deserve the other shit people have called her (or 'him', because they defaulted to thinking they were a dude) in this thread.
 
Skade

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Undid what ?

Luke ? He was set off as a lone hermit that doesn't want to help the rest of the galaxy in the first movie. If that wasn't JJs intent, that only mean that he fucked up hard in TFA.
Snoke ? I guess, but he wasn't really interesting to begin with so no big deal.
Leia ? It's an addition. A bad one, maybe, but an addition.
The resistance forces ? Sure. But that was an interesting set up for the following movie.

TROS was the movie who clearly undid the other. Just because the the writers/JJ did'nt like the set up that was given to them by the previous movie.
 
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