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WhySoDevious

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D2 was a disappointment when it launched, but the gunplay was still on point.

That's probably my biggest gripe about Anthem.... shooting is meh and I don't really care what I'm shooting at.
 

Demacabre

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But does Anthem have soul?

Why doesn't Jim like bad games?

All he does is hate on bad games!!

I mean does Jim ever like bad games? All he does is seem to complain about bad games and business being bad businesses. The nerve of this guy! He does it for hateclicks but jokes on him, he has a Paetron
 

Host Samurai

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Should GAAS games really be launching with a $60 price tag to them? I can understand GTAV and RDR2 because they come with a massive single player experience.
 

plié

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This fucker is just something else :D Talking about beating a dead horse.....His show is basically that.
 

Thardin

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This makes no sense...when has Gearbox made anything remotely bad when it comes to Borderlands? And yes, since everything we've heard of Borderlands 3 seems to be in-line with Borderlands 2...yes the desrve the benefit of the doubt, unless you have heard something negative about it?

And with Bioware, what quality? Bioware has never made a game with good gun gameplay or looting or even wide open multiplayer! Have you played Mass Effect...the combat hasn't aged well.

Bioware had good stories and good dialogue...that's it...people bring up games from them that came out on Xbox that were good lol...and Dragon Age, which has traditional RPG combat. We've seen zero in Bioware's history that they have anything interesting to add as far as actual gameplay and gunplay goes. Not just story mode QTEs.

So just because Gearbox hasn't made a bad bad Borderlands means the shitty games they've made since the last good Borderlands game don't exist?

And honestly, we haven't heard anything about Borderlands 3. We've gotten some rumors about leaks that might be entirely made up. I loved BL1 and 2 and am absolutely hoping BL3 is phenomenal, but right now there are about as many reasons to predict it flops as you had to predict Anthem would (shitty publisher track record; recent history of bad/mediocre games since their last big hit; general trend of looter shooters in recent history).

And yes, I've played through Mass Effect plenty (hint: check my avatar). I'm going back and playing Mass Effect for the 3rd time while waiting for some fixes to Anthem. The gameplay in 1 is a weak point. It got better in 2. It got better in 3. It got better in Andromeda. It got better in Anthem. It is hilarious you bring up BioWare's gameplay chops since that is the one compelling part of Anthem right now. Despite all the bugs, missing QoL, and lack of end-game loop the combat is really fun.

Hmmm...I specifically said the Borderlands series, so I see you are arguing in bad faith.
Again...everything we've heard about B3 seems to be positive from the Borderlands community. What have you heard that is negative? But hey...Captain Toad is a bad game...so Super Mario Odyssey must suck, right?

Want to talk about arguing in bad faith? You say Gearbox has never made a bad Borderlands game so you know BL3 will be good.

BioWare had never made a game like Anthem so you did you know it would be bad months before it launched like you said?

If you're going to ignore Gearbox's other works and only focus on their one successful series as a predictor then I'm not sure how can accurately predict Anthem.
 

Ploid 6.0

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Haha I used to watch S Club.. oh right Anthem, going to watch this and stop watching that S Club intro video.
 

ShinobiBk

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Alright, but Anthem is sitting at a 60 right now on Metacritic. With all the people in this thread talking about how shit Anthem is are you really going to tell me it is only 1 point worse (on a 10 point scale) than Breath of the Wild?

Say that with a straight face. Game of the Year BotW is only 1 point better than Anthem at launch.
You'd have a point if Jim scored both games but he didn't. So I don't know what he would've scored Anthem, very likely below 6/10 imo though
He just didn't enjoy BOTW as much as others did. Having an outlier opinion doesn't mean people have to go crazy
 
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Alright, but Anthem is sitting at a 60 right now on Metacritic. With all the people in this thread talking about how shit Anthem is are you really going to tell me it is only 1 point worse (on a 10 point scale) than Breath of the Wild?

Say that with a straight face. Game of the Year BotW is only 1 point better than Anthem at launch.
Mate, Sterling didn't give Anthem a 6 and BotW a 7, you're comparing two different metrics entirely.
 

Akita One

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But I already confirmed that you are right about everything you said and I am wrong about everything I said. I will never buy any GaaS or any EA/Activision/UbiSoft/Take Two games again.

All this coming from you, someone that actually saw a reason to buy Anthem...
 
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Thardin

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Mate, Sterling didn't give Anthem a 6 and BotW a 7, you're comparing two different metrics entirely.

I'm just saying why people think it is a bad review. If people view Anthem as a 6/10 then seeing someone give BotW a 7/10 is going to be seen as a bad review.

Not sure why we even have review score at this point because apparently they are meaningless and can't be compared without someone getting upset about it.
 

Danzflor

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Should GAAS games really be launching with a $60 price tag to them? I can understand GTAV and RDR2 because they come with a massive single player experience.
I've always wondered the same about this GaaS games, hell, even multiplayer only games. I remember the same talk happened back when Overwatch launched, and now comes more into discussion since Anthem is pretty much a PvE experience. Considering this stuff is not finished yet by a mile and/or the lack of content is noticeable, AND they plan to sell you more content down the line, this games should launch at 40 bucks tops IMO.
 

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It's really disgusting the kind of stranglehold publishers have over major media outlets that depend on them for early review copies. It almost guarantees that these outlets will skew towards higher scores than if they were completely independent. Maybe not even consciously, but unconsciously, they might find themselves being more lenient or lowering their standards over the concerns of possibly losing publisher support.

Same could be said of so-called "influencers" who have no choice but to convey not-too-negative opinions about a game if they hope to receive any sort of compensation for their review work. Fucking shills, all of them.
 

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And yes, I've played through Mass Effect plenty (hint: check my avatar). I'm going back and playing Mass Effect for the 3rd time while waiting for some fixes to Anthem. The gameplay in 1 is a weak point. It got better in 2. It got better in 3. It got better in Andromeda. It got better in Anthem. It is hilarious you bring up BioWare's gameplay chops since that is the one compelling part of Anthem right now. Despite all t
Here's the thing: the shooter parts of the Mass Effect games aren't what most people remember from those games. The setting, moral choices, role-playing stuff is what has defined BioWare until the most recent years.

Anthem shipped with the best version of a mediocre shooter gameplay while skipping everything that people praises about BioWare, it's almost like the company that makes Dragon Age has zero to do with Anthem.

Destiny has plenty of issues but rock solid gunplay, and then we can argue about the campaigns, but there is definitely more stuff to shoot for, to shoot with and to shoot at
 
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Akita One

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Here's the thing: the shooter parts of the Mass Effect games aren't what most people remember from those games. The setting, moral choices, role-playing stuff is what has defined BioWare until the most recent years.

Anthem shipped with the best version of a mediocre shooter gameplay while skipping everything that people praises about BioWare, it's almost like the company that makes Dragon Age has zero to do with Anthem.

Destiny has plenty of issues but rock solid gunplay, and then we can argue about the compaigns, but there is definitely more stuff to shoot for, to shoot with and to shoot at
This. The combo system in Anthem is nice but what about the few guns you are using the rest of the time?
 

Thardin

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I've always wondered the same about this GaaS games, hell, even multiplayer only games. I remember the same talk happened back when Overwatch launched, and now comes more into discussion since Anthem is pretty much a PvE experience. Considering this stuff is not finished yet by a mile and/or the lack of content is noticeable, AND they plan to sell you more content down the line, this games should launch at 40 bucks tops IMO.

I'd like to point out that Anthem plans to have all future content available for free (much like Overwatch). I think Anthem and Overwatch have a pretty solid model. Up front cost, MTX cosmetics, future content is free.

The Destiny 2 model of up front cost, paid DLC, and MTX cosmetics is pretty shit (especially when it doesn't get good until the paid DLC), but they've mostly done a better job of improving the in-game acquisition of cosmetics.
 

cowbanana

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Bioware has been B-tier for a long time. I can't get excited about anything they make anymore. They did make some of my favorite games in the past, but that was a different company entirely than the one operating now.
 

Danzflor

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I'd like to point out that Anthem plans to have all future content available for free (much like Overwatch). I think Anthem and Overwatch have a pretty solid model. Up front cost, MTX cosmetics, future content is free.

The Destiny 2 model of up front cost, paid DLC, and MTX cosmetics is pretty shit (especially when it doesn't get good until the paid DLC), but they've mostly done a better job of improving the in-game acquisition of cosmetics.

Yeah, I get your point. Althought Overwatch for me has become stale and I have zero interest on playing it anymore, I think the 60 bucks upfront cost was worth for it for all the content it came down the line, while it released maps and characters (full disclosure: I got the game free from Blizzard).

If Anthem has the same model, should be good, I just don't if we should trust EA with this, but maybe after the Apex Legends success good thing could come (trying to stay positive here, as much as I dislike Anthem current state, I think nobody wants to see it flop and kill BioWare by itself).
 

Thardin

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But I already confirmed that you are right about everything you said and I am wrong about everything I said. I will never buy any GaaS or any EA/Activision/UbiSoft/Take Two games again.

All this coming from you, someone that actually saw a reason to buy Anthem...

Dear god, man. Way to blow everything way out of proportion and be a condescending, patronizing asshole all at the same time.

All I said was you are being hypocritical saying that Anthem would be bad solely based on it being EA, but saying BL3 would be good despite being published by 2K.

I didn't tell you what to buy or not buy or even give you my prediction on how BL3 will go. I just said your argument was flawed.

Get off your damn high horse and quit shaming people for how they spend their money. Which, I didn't buy Anthem. Even after enjoying the alpha and both demos. Never pre-ordered and still haven't dropped $60 on it. I got the $15 Origin sub for a month to try it out. If I don't find it enjoyable after that runs out I won't buy it until I see BioWare has improved it.
 

Akita One

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Dear god, man. Way to blow everything way out of proportion and be a condescending, patronizing asshole all at the same time.

All I said was you are being hypocritical saying that Anthem would be bad solely based on it being EA, but saying BL3 would be good despite being published by 2K.

I didn't tell you what to buy or not buy or even give you my prediction on how BL3 will go. I just said your argument was flawed.

Get off your damn high horse and quit shaming people for how they spend their money. Which, I didn't buy Anthem. Even after enjoying the alpha and both demos. Never pre-ordered and still haven't dropped $60 on it. I got the $15 Origin sub for a month to try it out. If I don't find it enjoyable after that runs out I won't buy it until I see BioWare has improved it.
Dude you are telling people not to be hopeful for Borderlands 3, while playing a game that has had alot of negative feedback well before launch.

It's not going to get better by the time your sub ends and we all know that. My bad on thinking that you bought it...your comments in the Anthem threads reads more like you are enjoying it than anything else. And you admit to "enjoying" the demos.
 

Andri

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"I'm done talking about this game" and he proceeded to make two more videos about it.

Gotta milk the topic for them views.

You know, if the game is really so incredibly baddie bad, why not focus on one of the many many many good games instead ?

There is a cottage industry on the internet that will ride any "dissapointing" game into the ground harder than the traditional news cycle can with anything else.
But thats todays internet, rather focus on being angry/dissapointed rather than anything resembling positivity.
 

Akita One

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Gotta milk the topic for them views.

You know, if the game is really so incredibly baddie bad, why not focus on one of the many many many good games instead ?

There is a cottage industry on the internet that will ride any "dissapointing" game into the ground harder than the traditional news cycle can with anything else.
But thats todays internet, rather focus on being angry/dissapointed rather than anything resembling positivity.
In fairness, this is all of society. Negative news and gossip gets 10x the attention positivity gets.
 

Danzflor

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Gotta milk the topic for them views.

You know, if the game is really so incredibly baddie bad, why not focus on one of the many many many good games instead ?

There is a cottage industry on the internet that will ride any "dissapointing" game into the ground harder than the traditional news cycle can with anything else.
But thats todays internet, rather focus on being angry/dissapointed rather than anything resembling positivity.

I'm with you on that but sadly, all the gamers seems to enjoy raging about digital stuff too much to actually enjoy the best things in life. In Jim's defense, at least he raises very valid concerns about workers treatment in the industry, and how badly implemented GaaS could kill business and ruin a lot of people's livelihood.
 

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Honest question, but why isn't there just a Jim OT instead of a thread for every single video? I'm not complaining, just curious considering others have all things posted in their respectful OTs.
 

ghibli99

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Honest question, but why isn't there just a Jim OT instead of a thread for every single video? I'm not complaining, just curious considering others have all things posted in their respectful OTs.
The bigger/popular ones all have separate threads, like the Girlfriend Review and Angry Joe ones. Anthem is topical/current (as opposed to, say, most of AVGN's content), so it's not like this is an exception to everyone else. I'm actually more likely to click on separate threads as opposed to the ones that just collect them all in one.
 

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"I'm done talking about this game" and he proceeded to make two more videos about it.
He didn't talk about the game, he talked about everything surrounding the game. That's the entire point of the video, that its much more interesting to talk about the stuff surround Anthem (and Fallout 76) than the games themselves.
 

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Dekuman

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When I had more time to game, MMOS was the Gaas live service craze of the day and most launched with full content , storylines and not broken. With expansions adding more story, quests,end game and raising level caps. That was the model.

Not sure when it started being ok to launch a broken game for a live service then fix it so that the game reaches a state it should have launched in 12 months later
 

mas8705

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borderlands 3 pls save us

Something tells me that Borderlands 3 could be the most hated game in the series if 2K has any say in the matter sadly. I want the game to be good, but since 2K is kind of no better than EA or Activision, I wouldn't be shocked if we see Borderlands adapt a GaaS and it suddenly spirals into the same black hole. I hope I'm wrong there, but I can't say I have much confidence on Borderlands 3 if it were to get announced.
 

Skittles

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Something tells me that Borderlands 3 could be the most hated game in the series if 2K has any say in the matter sadly. I want the game to be good, but since 2K is kind of no better than EA or Activision, I wouldn't be shocked if we see Borderlands adapt a GaaS and it suddenly spirals into the same black hole. I hope I'm wrong there, but I can't say I have much confidence on Borderlands 3 if it were to get announced.
Eh, I think it'll be fine. Randy seems against most of that stuff and Take-two/2k doesn't really fuck with development like that it seems. They should be smart enough not to at least. Messing with a 10m+ seller like that would be quite dumb.
 
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Something tells me that Borderlands 3 could be the most hated game in the series if 2K has any say in the matter sadly. I want the game to be good, but since 2K is kind of no better than EA or Activision, I wouldn't be shocked if we see Borderlands adapt a GaaS and it suddenly spirals into the same black hole. I hope I'm wrong there, but I can't say I have much confidence on Borderlands 3 if it were to get announced.

It hasn't been announced, but it's deep into development now.
 

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Could we get a break from every video he makes getting its own thread?