Jim Sterling - Marvel's Avengers Is One Big Corporate Cash Grab

[Video Games Are Dumb]

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Era ain't gonna wanna hear this but he's right.
Clinging to this whiny, entitled tone and supporting the droning amateur media
is just toxic gamer shit. I aint got time for bad media, none of this shit matters.

Y'all jump to save video games through the power of complaining like a fox news grandpa runs to the voting booth.

 

[Callibretto]

The legendary skins are gonna cost $15 and it's gonna suck for people like me who actually do care about cosmetics. Especially in a game where the default skins are so wack.

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You get premium currency from each character battle pass. I only finish the 1st page in the challenge page and get 500 premium. Saving for 1500 premium currency to unlock some of your favorite skin sounds reasonable.

 

[Deleted member 58846]

Dang, we legit had someone compare pushback against corporate cross media promotion to gamergate in this thread. Damn.

 

[No Depth]

What dlc did it even unlock?

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I did just notice that the FF7 candybar DLC promo items are now available as free DLC on the PSN store. No idea what the bangle accessories actually do(still haven't even played the game), but I was browsing the PSN shop over the weekend and grabbed all of them.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Even without the ad stuff the game seems really fucking dire.

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It's not.

 

[platocplx]

Era ain't gonna wanna hear this but he's right.
Clinging to this whiny, entitled tone and supporting the droning amateur media
is just toxic gamer shit. I aint got time for bad media, none of this shit matters.

Y'all jump to save video games through the power of complaining like a fox news grandpa runs to the voting booth.

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Lmao this really captures it. It really is reaching toxic gamer "purity of gaming bullshit"

 

[zer0_X]

sure it is
Everything in the game screams generic AAA

 

[Rodrigues solitaire]

Going by Destiny's Eververse, all the nice shit will be locked behind real currency lol

 

[Kito]

FF7R Butterfinger promo starts March 3rd - Buy up to ~16 dollars of candy bars to unlock DLC.

Forget Noctis’s Cup Noodle helmet, let’s get Cloud swinging around the fabled Butterfinger Blade. https://butterfingerff7r.com/ 2 Candy Bars: Midgar Bangle A bangle designed in the image of the great city of Midgar (release date: April 10, 2020) * Also unlocks a Tifa Dynamic PS4 theme. 4...

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No one is precluded from grabbing some candy bars from any grocer or convenience store to snag some times-exclusive, non-cosmetic DLC items that are now free for everyone to download.

Everyone is precluded by partnerships with companies that players are heavily, mostly exclusively locked-in with. People can't just grab a PS4 or a Verizon plan for a couple bucks to unlock an entire character, skin, or completely free copy of a $60 game for happening to be an existing member of a specific platform at the very right time with little-to-no warning.

These are unprecedented levels of preclusion, and it's disgusting.

 

[Lobster Roll]

FYI: those candy bar FF7R items are available on the PlayStation store for free now. No candy bars required anymore.

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That just makes the mania and grey market candy trading look even more absurd in retrospect.

 

[Smoolio]

It can be a corporate cash grab as well as being a fun engaging game with deep combat. "I wish it was linear" Fuck no, can't wait to have weeks of fun with friends on this.

 

[platocplx]

Dang, we legit had someone compare pushback against corporate cross media promotion to gamergate in this thread. Damn.

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I did, this is how stupid it is.

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

yeah, the game is EA writen all over, suprised to be from the same devs of tomb raider =(

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The same devs that released 2 story DLC's for Tomb Raider Underworld exclusively for the Xbox 360? And they weren't even timed exclusives? (a much more serious situation than this btw)

The same devs that released Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusively for the Xbox One for a year after they announced the game without any exclusivity deal?

These same devs?

 

[Serene]

Sure, you can be pedantic about it if you want. Especially since any reasonable discussion on this knows that one exception doesn't defy a rule, but hey, if it makes you feel any better about this cross media sponsorship brigade, have at it.

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lmao yeah I'm the one being pedantic and precious about this

These sorts of things are commonplace. They don't exist everywhere, but they are common. It will continue to happen like it's happened for the past 20+ years. If you don't think that's the case, you're just in denial. There will always be places it doesn't, but it doesn't make it not the norm.

 

[StrangeRoboMemory]

The aggressive corporate branding is definitely off-putting.

 

[Zalman]

It's unfortunate it had to turn out this way. Thankfully I got my Marvel fill recently with Ultimate Alliance 3 which is a really fun game.

 

[RockmanBN]

Taco Bell promotions, gamer fuel. There is almost always a cash grab element to big games lol.

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Don't forget Chipotle E. Coli for a Tony Hawk demo.

 

[platocplx]

lmao yeah I'm the one being pedantic and precious about this

These sorts of things are commonplace. They don't exist everywhere, but they are common. It will continue to happen like it's happened for the past 20+ years. If you don't think that's the case, you're just in denial. There will always be places it doesn't, but it doesn't make it not the norm.

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End of the day they can "vote with their wallets" or whatever. I'm over the weird angles people have on this game now. Its just to push clicks at this point for hate raging toxic gamers.

Don't forget Chipotle E. Coli for a Tony Hawk demo.

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I forgot about that lmao. And guess what I don't care for it so I'm not doing it look how simple that is.

 

[Rodrigues solitaire]

You'll be getting this game with a box of corn flakes in six months as they try to sell you useless nonsense on the Avengers store, save this post

 

[Fizz]

I'm so glad that my gut-reaction to the game-play is being echoed across the web. The game looks so life-less, like it's just trying to be Insomniac's Spider-Man and failing in so many ways.

 

[Phellps]

Of course it's a cash grab. It's a licensed GAAS title based on the biggest cash grab in the movie industry.

Deus Ex was put on ice for this...

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I mean, guess which one is going to make a fuckton of money...
And expect it to be on ice for quite a bit longer; I can totally see Crystal Dynamics being the main dev here, but moving on to other projects once the game is launched, with Eidos Montreal being the support studio that will keep working on it for years to come.

 

[shotopunx]

He's not wrong, but it's also really fun.

 

[platocplx]

You'll be getting this game with a box of corn flakes in six months as they try to sell you useless nonsense on the Avengers store, save this post

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Chex quest was one of the greatest cereal related games of all time I don't know if they can top it.

 

[Mushlikeahusky]

Not on 3/4 platforms though.

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Sony owns Spider-Man

 

[Lobster Roll]

Sony owns Spider-Man

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Here we go again.

 

[GovernWort]

Sony owns Spider-Man

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I don't think that would be legal.

 

[Ploid 6.0]

No one is precluded from grabbing some candy bars from any grocer or convenience store to snag some times-exclusive, non-cosmetic DLC items that are now free for everyone to download.

Everyone is precluded by partnerships with companies that players are heavily, mostly exclusively locked-in with. People can't just grab a PS4 or a Verizon plan for a couple bucks to unlock an entire character, skin, or completely free copy of a $60 game for happening to be an existing member of a specific platform at the very right time with little-to-no warning.

These are unprecedented levels of preclusion, and it's disgusting.

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Time exclusive skins.

" Verizon today announced a special team-up with Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics that will offer Verizon customers a chance to play Marvel's Avengers before the general public in a special beta event — along with receiving a digital copy of this action-packed adventure game and exclusive timed content launching September 4th, on us![SUP]1[/SUP] "

Verizon customers get early chance to play Marvel’s Avengers

Verizon becomes the official telecommunications partner for Marvel’s Avengers, starting with giving customers limited-access to special beta event and a copy of the game

www.verizon.com

 

[Jest]

People pay $60 for this stuff... good lord! (Plus MTXs!)
Maybe I'm weird, but I have a zero-tolerance policy for stuff like this (and DRM, etc.) Like, there's so many games to play, why waste your time and money, don't you feel like you're being exploited/manipulated, watching/playing these corporate films, games, etc.?

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Marketing, in all of it's forms, is manipulation. The only difference is where each person draws their line. In an industry that has tried literal pay to win structures, subscriptions to single games on top of purchase of base and expansions (MMOs), a myriad of power creep paid dlc structures, etc... The option to buy things for cosmetic changes while offering additional gameplay content for free is fairly unobtrusive in comparison.

That doesn't mean that people who share your ideals or draw their lines similarly are wrong or anything like that. However you can't expect others to draw their lines in the same place.

 

[Lashley]

Pretty much, thankfully those skins are dire.

 

[Deleted member 56306]

This is starting to feel very gamergate ish With this stuff, "its about the purity of gaming" this shit is super weird outrage to me.

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Gamergate was never about that though. Like that was very clearly going after women. The target here so far is just games and corpos. Not to say it can't become that but so far that's not a good conflation.

 

[Video Games Are Dumb]

Sony owns Spider-Man

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I don't think that would be legal.

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They only own the Spider half.

 

[jviggy43]

Era ain't gonna wanna hear this but he's right.
Clinging to this whiny, entitled tone and supporting the droning amateur media
is just toxic gamer shit. I aint got time for bad media, none of this shit matters.

Y'all jump to save video games through the power of complaining like a fox news grandpa runs to the voting booth.

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Calling out exploitative corporate practices is toxic gamer shit akin to fox news grandpas running to the voting booth.

How does that boot taste?

 

[Zaimokuza]

I've just finished the video and read the comments on this thread and I really don't understand the problem with cross promotion.

This is the same conversation that happened when skins and mtxs started appearing in videogames except cross promotion is not a predatory behaviour that encourages gambling.

Videogames are expensive to make and inherently risky. If companies have found a way to make them less risky and more profitable without asking me for more money well, I'm happy for them.

 

[Mushlikeahusky]

They only own the Spider half.

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They own enough to regulate the i.p.

 

[Izzard]

He's very picky with what he chooses to do videos on isn't he. Almost like he's going for what he knows people likely want to watch right now, so he can get more views, and get more money. I'm assuming he makes money from his videos. If I'm wrong then fair enough.

As for the subject, this is nothing most people don't already know. If you feel strongly about it, tell the publisher, and don't buy the game.

 

[Video Games Are Dumb]

How does that boot taste?

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You didn't mean to say that.

 

[thecaseace]

Remember to hate game.
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This makes no sense....

 

[shotopunx]

I'm so glad that my gut-reaction to the game-play is being echoed across the web. The game looks so life-less, like it's just trying to be Insomniac's Spider-Man and failing in so many ways.

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I thought this game looked TERRIBLE, and I haven't ever really gelled with GaaS. I went into the beta with a smirk, ready to cancel my pre-order as soon as I had tried it.

Turns out I loved it. The game feels very different when playing it, versus how the marketing looks.

Of course, that being said, it might not be for you all the same, just thought I'd add my two cents.

 

[Deleted member 58846]

Calling out exploitative corporate practices is toxic gamer shit akin to fox news grandpas running to the voting booth.

How does that boot taste?

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Yeah, I love the comparisons in this thread. Apparently being pissed at corporate cross media promotions bullshit is a) similar time GamerGate b) similar to FOX News.
Eagerly waiting to be called a Trump supporter or flat earther next.

 

[Kito]

Time exclusive skins.

" Verizon today announced a special team-up with Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics that will offer Verizon customers a chance to play Marvel's Avengers before the general public in a special beta event — along with receiving a digital copy of this action-packed adventure game and exclusive timed content launching September 4th, on us![SUP]1[/SUP] "

Verizon customers get early chance to play Marvel’s Avengers

Verizon becomes the official telecommunications partner for Marvel’s Avengers, starting with giving customers limited-access to special beta event and a copy of the game

www.verizon.com

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But will they be free after the timed exclusivity period expires like the FF7R items were? Either way, the bigger deal is that they're giving free copies of the entire game away to an exclusive base of carrier subscribers... I for one can't justify spending $50-$60 on a game that would have been free with major exclusive content if I happened to still be loyal to the biggest brands.

 

[Khrol]

It's really one of the worst GaaS games I've ever seen. I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

 

[Ploid 6.0]

Taco Bell is going to be gutted to hear cross promotions are so bad. No one will buy their food for a chance at a code that wins them a PS5 or Xbox One X. They had their time in the sun in the past, with people eating that stuff up for a PS4, but now the lotto games are over.

 

[Z-Brownie]

The same devs that released 2 story DLC's for Tomb Raider Underworld exclusively for the Xbox 360? And they weren't even timed exclusives? (a much more serious situation than this btw)

The same devs that released Rise of the Tomb Raider exclusively for the Xbox One for a year after they announced the game without any exclusivity deal?

These same devs?

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you made a great point, that was really greedy

 

[Deleted member 20471]

Era ain't gonna wanna hear this but he's right.
Clinging to this whiny, entitled tone and supporting the droning amateur media
is just toxic gamer shit. I aint got time for bad media, none of this shit matters.

Y'all jump to save video games through the power of complaining like a fox news grandpa runs to the voting booth.

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don't ask questions just consume product and then get excited for next products

 

[Hagi]

To the watchlist it goes.

I'm so glad that my gut-reaction to the game-play is being echoed across the web. The game looks so life-less, like it's just trying to be Insomniac's Spider-Man and failing in so many ways.

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Games pretty fun from what I've played. Story seems cool as well. If they were trying to be Spider-man it wouldn't be a hero based live service game ala Destiny.

 

[platocplx]

Gamergate was never about that though. Like that was very clearly going after women. The target here so far is just games and corpos. Not to say it can't become that but so far that's not a good conflation.

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yes, but also it did devolve into some purity of journlism or whatever rhetoric the overall point is the toxic gamer trope that creeps into this stuff. Where this really is not anything that is even worth being so upset about.

 

[lost_paradise]

You get premium currency from each character battle pass. I only finish the 1st page in the challenge page and get 500 premium. Saving for 1500 premium currency to unlock some of your favorite skin sounds reasonable.

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Wait I did not know this, so you can get the costumes from the store just by playing the game ?

 

[Cecil]

Yes, yet is.

But the open door that he's beating on with this idea is so large that they could probably fit one those Avenger carriers through it.

It really is the wrong kind of game to have any expectations on except what they're actually doing now. There's nothing idealistic about it, it's a game born from a developers artistic vision, it's a cash grab service with high production values.

I'm not shaming anyone for wanting to play it, but Jim Sterling himself is just catching the widest possible audience net with a video like this. And it's almost exhausting watching someone be that worked up over something so predictable.

 

[Deleted member 15395]

He's not wrong but then again being cautious is par for the course for any AAA GAAS release. I can overlook the tomfuckery if the base $60 game can provide a satisfying experience that justifies the price.

This'll be the same for whatever the suicide squad game ends up being.

 

[BubblegumNemesis]

TBH if you buy this, you are part of the problem.