Jim Ryan can't confirm whether God of War: Ragnarok will be a PS5 exclusive

Empyrean Cocytus · Nov 17, 2020

Maple said:
It's not about how pretty the game looks, it's about building a game that's free from the limitations of the older system in terms of its core design.

Miles Morales is great, but it's really just a base PS4 game with support for 4K, ray-tracing, 60 FPS, and reduced loading times on the PS5.

People want to see those AAA games built from the ground up for the PS5. Games that are built to take advantage of the new hardware such that they wouldn't even be possible on the previous generation.

So then how is it fair to people who have a reduced income or are out of work entirely due to the GLOBAL PANDEMIC and use games as a form of entertainment and say "Oh, so you want to play new games? That'll be $400 at least. $500 if you want the disc."

I get that we are enthusiast gamers, we want cutting edge everything. But we are in the strict minority. And to tell people they can't play the new Spider-Man, Horizon, or God of War just because they aren't lucky enough to be able to afford the new console at this point in history just doesn't seem fair to me. Generally ERA seems pretty progressive, anti-capitalism, and wanting equality for all - why should this not be the same with who gets to play new video games?

mute · Nov 17, 2020

Those games designed around SSDs aren't coming this generation are they :P

xtib81 · Nov 17, 2020

Fuck them with that. So much for "We believe in generations" I'm tired of PR bullshit

pg2g · Nov 17, 2020

JoeNut said:
Yeah i guess you're right, but considering how much sony have pushed the "we beleive in generations" angle, i'm surprised to see they haven't truly given the masses a reason to buy their new generation by the games they're bringing out.

Yeah, that was an interesting bit of marketing lol

Deluxera · Nov 17, 2020

God of War "Ragnorak" may be cross-gen but Ragnarok is most certainly PS5-only.

Powerofthecloud · Nov 17, 2020

Good that means 60 fps mode.

Legacy · Nov 17, 2020

LastNac said:
Is it even a full game?

I'm not convinced it is. Seems too quick of a turnaround for me but I'd obviously be happy if it is confirmed as a full sequel.

jon bones · Nov 17, 2020

hopefully this means we'll get nice 60fps modes for PS5

Firefly · Nov 17, 2020

Wallace Wells said:
It's been confirmed to be PS5 only by reliable insiders on here though

Is there any good reason why they won't announce it as a PS5 exclusive if it is?

Doomguy Fieri · Nov 17, 2020

The best reviewed next gen game is a faithful adaption of Demon's Souls, a 10 year old game.

Spiderman seems to be universally beloved and is a port of PS4 game.

I know there's still some warriors who want to "believe in generations," but in fact generations have always been a hazy distinction. Outside of truly bizarre hardware like the Wii, the platform is way less important than when the game comes out. Next gen experience has always been marketing fluff.

Magic Mushroom · Nov 17, 2020

I wouldn't mind it. It means you'll get a gorgeous, fast loading 60 fps version for PS5 (with additional bells and whistles like DualSense support and 3D audio). I'm okay with that. And from a business perspective, it makes perfect sense to support a platform with 100+ million sales.

Legacy · Nov 17, 2020

JoeNut said:
Yeah i guess you're right, but considering how much sony have pushed the "we beleive in generations" angle, i'm surprised to see they haven't truly given the masses a reason to buy their new generation by the games they're bringing out.

Yeah this was a lie, like when Phil claimed current gen wouldn't hold back next gen... then we saw the Failo Infinite footage, then a huge delay followed after the outcry and memes.

EDIT: Wow, didn't realise this would result in a warning. I said it in jest, I own both consoles. I'll be more careful in the future

M.Bluth · Nov 17, 2020

It's weird seeing Ryan's refusal to make any comment about a game they only teased being taken as a confirmation of anything.

But hey, gotta clickbait.

Crumrin · Nov 17, 2020

Classic PR answer, you can't get any conclusion from this. But people should relax, even if it is cross-gen the important thing is that soon we will have a sequel to one of the best and most successful games of the previous generation. Sony will definitely inject a lot of money and talent into this game, the production levels will be up there regardless of the platforms.

JoeNut · Nov 17, 2020

Legacy said:
Yeah this was a lie, like when Phil claimed current gen wouldn't hold back next gen... then we saw the Failo Infinite footage, then a huge delay followed after the outcry and memes.

Failo infinite? lmao

Vic20 · Nov 17, 2020

Legacy said:
Yeah this was a lie, like when Phil claimed current gen wouldn't hold back next gen... then we saw the Failo Infinite footage, then a huge delay followed after the outcry and memes.

Failo infinite?

Lagspike_exe · Nov 17, 2020

Cross gen for sure. Hopefully, they'll use SSD somehow and not just for quicker loading.

ShaiKhulud · Nov 17, 2020

Jim Ryan: *typical no-comment answer because he is not a part of GoW: Ragnarok PR-cycle*
Internet: IT'S GONNA BE CROSS-GEN!!!!!

Ugh

Maple · Nov 17, 2020

Empyrean Cocytus said:
So then how is it fair to people who have a reduced income or are out of work entirely due to the GLOBAL PANDEMIC and use games as a form of entertainment and say "Oh, so you want to play new games? That'll be $400 at least. $500 if you want the disc."

I get that we are enthusiast gamers, we want cutting edge everything. But we are in the strict minority. And to tell people they can't play the new Spider-Man, Horizon, or God of War just because they aren't lucky enough to be able to afford the new console at this point in history just doesn't seem fair to me. Generally ERA seems pretty progressive, anti-capitalism, and wanting equality for all - why should this not be the same with who gets to play new video games?

Since when is consumerism supposed to be fair?

And we're not even talking about launch games here, we're talking about games that are coming about 1+ year after the launch of the new hardware. By that point, it's time to move on.

Ogni-XR21 · Nov 17, 2020

It's cross gen. You don't just ignore 100 million potential buyers. R&C is their "see what SSDs can do" game other than that I don't expect next gen only games until 2022.

Kinthey · Nov 17, 2020

Bloxx Chain said:
Shitshow?! Lol I don't want cross-gen either but you dudes be heavy with the hyperbole 😂

For me the annoying part is that platforms are suddenly treated like a secret. To reveal months later that a game is cross gen is just weird.

zombiejames · Nov 17, 2020

Don't fuck this up, Jim.

Bazz Bazz · Nov 17, 2020

LastNac said:
Is it even a full game?

3/4 years of development.
Early 2018 (probably start before as the main story was already here) - 2021
It's not like Spiderman MM.

black070 · Nov 17, 2020

Don't care either way aslong as the game is as good as the first.

Baloota · Nov 17, 2020

If it's releasing next year i hope it's cross gen so i can actually play it and not have to wait a year or something until i get a ps5

J-Skee · Nov 17, 2020

Why are there so many assumptions that it won't be a full length game? Because of the quick turnaround time?

Magic Mushroom · Nov 17, 2020

Legacy said:
I'm not convinced it is. Seems too quick of a turnaround for me but I'd obviously be happy if it is confirmed as a full sequel.

Nah. They made the first game real quick, considering they still hadn't really figured it out when it made its E3 debut in 2016. Like Horizon, they now have a foundation to build upon and both GG and SSM have staffed up. Over three years is more than enough, though the pandemic probably slowed things down.

Brat-Sampson · Nov 17, 2020

Great, can't wait to be using the PS5's SSD to load those squeezing-through-gaps/walking-and-talking scenes designed to mask PS4 loads for like the next two years.

I *really* hope this isn't true and it will definitely put a damper on my hype if it is.

Insane to see Sony hype the PS5's technology, innovation and architecture, if they then have their lead studios totally ignore it to make sure everything can run on the PS4.

Kaah · Nov 17, 2020

Empyrean Cocytus said:
I get that we are enthusiast gamers, we want cutting edge everything. But we are in the strict minority. And to tell people they can't play the new Spider-Man, Horizon, or God of War just because they aren't lucky enough to be able to afford the new console at this point in history just doesn't seem fair to me. Generally ERA seems pretty progressive, anti-capitalism, and wanting equality for all - why should this not be the same with who gets to play new video games?

What kind of argument is that and it has nothing to do with being progressive or anti-capitalism. Equality for all ? wtf we're talking about new technology here.

Adrifi · Nov 17, 2020

Curufinwe said:
Why did that not apply to Uncharted 4 last gen?

Because PS3 was a lot less successful than the PS4 is now, its install base was 33% lower and Uncharted 4 came out 2.5 years after the launch of the PS4, not only a year after like GOW is supposed to.

tzare · Nov 17, 2020

he basically said... nothing? People as always jumping into conclusions a bit too early.

hey it's that dog · Nov 17, 2020

Firefly said:
Is there any good reason why they won't announce it as a PS5 exclusive if it is?

Because they haven't reached that part of the PR schedule yet? All year people have been saying "if X is true, why wouldn't Sony say
X is true?!" and some of the time, even though Sony said nothing, X turned out to be true.

Silence is non-diagnostic.

Vic Damone Jr. · Nov 17, 2020

Stop with the nonsense, give us exclusives like you promised.

Lant_War · Nov 17, 2020

It'd be interesting to see how an hypothetical sequel would push the PS4 to its max. The original God of War already felt like they were on the line in terms of loadng - hell, there's some cutscenes that straight up pause for a brief second so the game can load.

After seeing how the PS4 version of Miles and Sackboy turned out, I'd trust them with a crossgen GOW (I guess the last test is Horizon, but Guerrilla are wizards so not worried about that). That said, I can only see this happening if the 2021 date is true.

Bede-x · Nov 17, 2020

If they can't confirm it, it's likely cross-gen. It's like asking someone if they can confirm whether something is fully exclusive and getting a muddied answer = It's not exclusive.

Bloxx Chain · Nov 17, 2020

Kinthey said:
For me the annoying part is that platforms are suddenly treated like a secret. To reveal months later that a game is cross gen is just weird.

I can agree with that, and specific with GoW, we have nothing but a teaser...
so I do think that should be kept in mind as well.

Absolute · Nov 17, 2020

Well he knows but wouldn't share the info. Bit shitty not to be straight up with people.

Maple · Nov 17, 2020

Ogni-XR21 said:
It's cross gen. You don't just ignore 100 million potential buyers. R&C is their "see what SSDs can do" game other than that I don't expect next gen only games until 2022.

What changes between 2021 and 2022?

If one adopts the mindset of "not leaving behind 100+ million gamers", what exactly is going to change in 2022? You're still going to have 100+ million PS4 owners without PS5s in 2022. By that logic, all first party Sony games should be cross-gen well into 2025 so as to not leave behind the massive PS4 user base, no?

TheZynster · Nov 17, 2020

I expect ragnarok to be a miles morales game in terms of length and what platforms it's going to be on.

N64Controller · Nov 17, 2020

Empyrean Cocytus said:
So then how is it fair to people who have a reduced income or are out of work entirely due to the GLOBAL PANDEMIC and use games as a form of entertainment and say "Oh, so you want to play new games? That'll be $400 at least. $500 if you want the disc."

I get that we are enthusiast gamers, we want cutting edge everything. But we are in the strict minority. And to tell people they can't play the new Spider-Man, Horizon, or God of War just because they aren't lucky enough to be able to afford the new console at this point in history just doesn't seem fair to me. Generally ERA seems pretty progressive, anti-capitalism, and wanting equality for all - why should this not be the same with who gets to play new video games?

When's the cutoff where it becomes acceptable, in your very arbitrary way of thinking, to expect next-gen games to be next-gen games?

Oleander · Nov 17, 2020

Considering this game is only confirmed to be named "the next title in the God of War series", my interpretation of all this is that they are not going to be called out to clarify anything in relation to the game until they choose to do so on their terms. Concluding from that "no comment" that this will be a cross-gen title is a massive reach.

texhnolyze · Nov 17, 2020

tzare said:
he basically said... nothing? People as always jumping into conclusions a bit too early.

From last week.

PS5 Games Will Continue to be Crossgen Compatible with PS4 for at Least 3 Years Says Sony

How long will you continue to be able to play games on both the PS4 and PS5? Crossgen isn't going away anytime too soon!

wccftech.com

TaterTots · Nov 17, 2020

If it was going to be exclusive he would say so, just like Insomniac has about Ratchet. This isn't a bad thing imo. PS4 has a huge player base and getting a PS5 might not be too easy for awhile.

ShaiKhulud · Nov 17, 2020

Oleander said:
Considering this game is only confirmed to be named "the next title in the God of War series", my interpretation of all this is that they are not going to be called out to clarify anything in relation to the game until they choose to do so on their terms. Concluding from that "no comment" that this will be a cross-gen title is a massive reach.

hey it's that dog said:
Because they haven't reached that part of the PR schedule yet? All year people have been saying "if X is true, why wouldn't Sony say
X is true?!" and some of the time, even though Sony said nothing, X turned out to be true.

Silence is non-diagnostic.

Some common sense for a change

hey it's that dog · Nov 17, 2020

Absolute said:
Well he knows but wouldn't share the info. Bit shitty not to be straight up with people.

Business people don't answer random questions in interviews, period. They stick to a plan. Let's all stop acting like interviews are anything more than an avenue for promotion and maybe we'll process this stuff a little more sensibly.

Diogo Arez · Nov 17, 2020

Don't know where these "Miles Morales type of game" talks began but they make no sense. When GOW launched Cory always said a sequel would be way faster to make since they have assets and all that, pre Covid I always expected GOW Ragnarok in 2021, Covid only made me doubt that date not the scope

Ganondolf · Nov 17, 2020

This is cross gen otherwise he would just say it was.

NightShift · Nov 17, 2020

This is a completely selfish thing to say but I'll be so disappointed if this is cross gen. Those loading areas, long ass boat rides, etc, kinda killed the pacing for me. With the game's "one-take" style, they had to add so much filler to mask loading to the point where I wish they just cut to loading screens. I really believe that cutting out a lot of that would greatly improve the game overall.

CRIMSON-XIII · Nov 17, 2020

Tiago Rodrigues said:
i actually can't tell anything from his answer.
You can be like "well if he doesn't admit it it might be because it is cross gen" or go like "if it was cross gen it would be okay to say it. it's not like PS5 sales would drop because of that"

They kinda sold folks on the PS5 in June with Spiderman, Horizon, etc. Then said they are on PS5 only. Then a few months later they said they are also on PS4 just as the ps5 pre orders launched. I get it, they gave notice. But had they said all of this including GoW in June and that they were PS4 as well. You can be sure that at least some sales would be lost. At least.

reclaimerzzzzz · Nov 17, 2020

TheZynster said:
I expect ragnarok to be a miles morales game in terms of length and what platforms it's going to be on.

Why would you expect that?

texhnolyze said:
From last week.

PS5 Games Will Continue to be Crossgen Compatible with PS4 for at Least 3 Years Says Sony

How long will you continue to be able to play games on both the PS4 and PS5? Crossgen isn't going away anytime too soon!

wccftech.com

This was about developers in general, including 3rd party, supporting the PS4 for a total of 10 years like Sony has done in the past. This is not an indication of what they will provide in terms of PS5 exclusives.

Jim Ryan can't confirm whether God of War: Ragnarok will be a PS5 exclusive

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