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Jim Ryan: £70 is a fair price for PS5 games (The Telegraph)
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We are also going in the wrong direction if games get inflated with fetch quests and meaningless content to justify the $70 price tag.
Time is worth more than money but that said $70 or anything more is too much for any game.
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How could you have the gall to suggest a single PS5 game is worth £70 when the Complete box set of Frasier is currently only £34 on Amazon UK and provides endless hours of entertainment?
Admittedly you are one of literally dozens in this thread making statements like this as if they are part of natural law, but you need to justify this statement. Why do you believe that there should be a maximum price for a game based on how long it is?[/QUOTE]
Luckily we are not being forced to purchase £70 games day one. It's the Fomo that forces us to buy games now rather than wait for a discount in a month or 2.
I remember when (without fail) games in the PS2 generation were £39.99 for AAA releases and £29.99 for AA releases with budget titles/PS Hits landing at £14.99 - £19.99.
Times have changed.
I'm getting a PS5....but I'm not buying any full priced games to go with it (which is a first for me).
Sticking with PS+ and boosted PS4/VR games until those prices start to plummet.
I can't see myself buying any PS5 games that launch with a £70 price as standard (max I ever paid at retail for a PS4 game was £45.I might stretch to £50 for PS5 for a game...but not £70).
Sticking with PS+ and boosted PS4/VR games until those prices start to plummet.
I can't see myself buying any PS5 games that launch with a £70 price as standard (max I ever paid at retail for a PS4 game was £45.I might stretch to £50 for PS5 for a game...but not £70).
To be fair, Sackboy is 70€, still very high but only "old tier" high.
The prices in the picture were DM, you need to divide them by 1.95583 for €.
This is a new console generation though, we don't know when Sony's going to discount.
Some games aren't worth 70 just as how some games weren't worth 60, but when I see how the games that were personally worth 60 is now adjusted for inflation, to me it's fair. 60 in 2013 is 67 now.
Inflation in the UK averaged >3% each year between 2009 and 2019.
I know it's deeply unpopular in this thread, but gaming has never been more affordable and attainable. The sticker shock of the increased prices hurts, but the prices do have to go up to maintain a healthy system of paying workers, investing in research, paying platform holders... the profit margins on these games aren't exactly high.
Not everything is going to be that high... there's enough variety and scaled development approach that you will get a number of different price points, but for the big, major titles... it's probably right.
And no one is telling the consumer they need to buy - that's a personal decision, and consumers should be reading reviews and understanding what they are getting before plunking down the cash.
And... if the market decides that the higher price point isn't worth it... the companies will follow suit and lower prices again, but with that will come a lot of negative impact on the developers and people inside these companies.
Not everything is going to be that high... there's enough variety and scaled development approach that you will get a number of different price points, but for the big, major titles... it's probably right.
And no one is telling the consumer they need to buy - that's a personal decision, and consumers should be reading reviews and understanding what they are getting before plunking down the cash.
And... if the market decides that the higher price point isn't worth it... the companies will follow suit and lower prices again, but with that will come a lot of negative impact on the developers and people inside these companies.
Ok but the difference is each individual season of Frasier when it was released was expensive and now that it's all been out for years they can drop the price of the complete collection just like they do for games.
I'll give you my opinion.
I have a couple of family members living in Portugal and others in Greece. Some of them get paid 650€ as that is the minimum wage over there, as you can see a 80€ game decision can be complicated for this part of the world.
Honestly I don't know. it makes me think 2 or 3 times regarding a purchase.
I have a couple of family members living in Portugal and others in Greece. Some of them get paid 650€ as that is the minimum wage over there, as you can see a 80€ game decision can be complicated for this part of the world.
Honestly I don't know. it makes me think 2 or 3 times regarding a purchase.
In Norway, the prices went from 599-649 NOK (66 - 71 USD) to 859 NOK (95 USD).
It's a fucking farce, Jim.
It's a fucking farce, Jim.
I converted them to Euro and adjusted for inlation which gets me to the equivalent of 100-130€ today for the games in the picture (from 1995). But as i said that wasn't the point, my point was that i paid a lot more for games in the past so these current prices don't bother me much.
If he cannot dance around a question he must be fired. And the sooner, the better.
Jim Ryan is without contest the best Xbox spokeperson.
If anything games should now cost less than ever, considering there are more good games in the market then ever while the console gaming population hasn't incresed drastically over the last 10 years.
In other words more there are more compelling alternatives competing for the same resources (my money and time).
In other words more there are more compelling alternatives competing for the same resources (my money and time).
It depends on the game. DS probably is, Sackboy, not so sure. Time will tell. I've always though that games need to be more flexible regarding pricing, it is obvious some cost way more than others to make, so that should be reflected when buying them.
Interesting, as always, how this forum handles certain topics.... when nintendo doesn't drop prices it is because the demand is there, so it is 'fair'.
Let's wait and see if the price hike impacts demand here.
Interesting, as always, how this forum handles certain topics.... when nintendo doesn't drop prices it is because the demand is there, so it is 'fair'.
Let's wait and see if the price hike impacts demand here.
At least this might leave some room for AA developers to get in at the £40 range?
I got nothin'...
I got nothin'...
There are barely any games out there that are worth £49.99 by that logic. £70 is not fair and there aren't any games out there worth that much money.
Sony's games sell record numbers all the time and they are making tens of millions (if not hundreds of millions) in profits. Where is the justification in raising these prices?
As I said previously, deep deep sales and preowned games via ebay will be the way forward. I can wait a few months to play a game.
Bit of an odd comparison since you're comparing a brand new game to a bundle which has been out for a while.
The Fraiser set would likely have been much more when it originally released.
Same. I wanted to buy a PS5, play the ps4 games i missed, and be up and running with the next gen.
When they anounced the prices, my interest plumeted. Currently im searching for a used Ps4 Pro or wait for Black Friday sales.
Yeah , yeah they are. But there are a lot of people that bring up prices from back then because they ignore stuff like:
Lower disposable income than in the 90ties for the average person (incerased housing cost all over the world with wage stagnation), reduced production cost of the media (cartridges where expensive back then, disc releases are extremly cheap to manufacture, need less space (less storage/stocking space needed -> lower cost), way biggere market (back then million sellers where not that comon, today a million sold is a flop for AAA publishers), rapidly falling cost of last years (or even months) games, continuous revenue stream (DLC, Microtransactions, ...), more unified development architecture (on the hardwareside, and on the backend with engines) to for multiplatform developers.
Mostly: they are selling 50%+ digital now. That means: all the costs of producing,transporting, storing the games are gone, and the retailer cut is also gone, it goes straight to the publisher or sony.
Oh, that is good then. So pricing has some flexibility , that is fair imo.
This thread isn't about the US price increase though. Its about the UK one which has increased by £20+
Just curious, how would you dance around it if you were in his shoes?
Of course there will always be people who can't afford them, but unless they buy tons of games (which most people don't do) families should be fine. A trip to the theme park with the whole family is a lot more expensive and these are doing fine as well (before the pandemic hit at least).
The proof will be in the pudding but I think Sony will be fine. And if they won't, they'll lower the prices. That's how it works.
Destruction Allstar is already known to have Microtransactions
Whats also bafling: the Main game they are pushing for this initiative is Demons Souls.... a remake. The game design aspect was done. It was a tried and tested formula. No long experimentation, trying out boss patterns, creating new enemies... the game literally runs the original code in parralell to the new graphics engine.
By that logic, should the next original souls game then bei even 10-20€ more expensive, since they have to desing the gameplay as well as the graphics?
Wouldn't be one of these threads without tales of how back in the day you had to weed your neighbours gardens for months and then walk miles in the howling rain to the sole local game selling establishment, all for the privilege of paying £75 for F-Zero on the SNES
Yeah Demon Souls on Amazon is £69.99. Most new day one games I bought last gen and cross gen ones with Series X so far have been around £50. That's a big jump. I know I'm probably in the minority but it's why I'm waiting until later to get a PS5 when hopefully the first party games will have dropped in price. I don't think there's a game out there I would buy for £70. I'll just wait.