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Jessica Biel is apparently allying with anti-vaxxers

zoozilla

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https://jezebel.com/well-heres-jessica-biel-apparently-lobbying-california-1835444312

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a formerly well-respected environmental activist who has, in recent years, begun making a variety of extremely dubious claims about vaccines, and working hard to influence public vaccine policy through both lobbying and lawsuits. Jessica Biel is an actress married to another famous person, whom we last wrote about because she had a restaurant. In an interesting indicator of the times in which we live, Kennedy and Biel were photographed yesterday at the California State Assembly, where they appear to have been lobbying lawmakers together. Afterwards, Kennedy posted a series of Instagram photos praising Biel as "brave."
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While we've yet to hear from Biel or Kennedy's representatives, social media posts from several legislators indicate that Biel was speaking to them in order to oppose SB 276, the bill tightening the medical exemption process. The posts also indicate that those Assembly members and state senators were excited to pose next to her.
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Sucks that another celebrity is using their influence to perpetuate this stuff.
 
Kain

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I guess all this shit comes from morons fearing things they can't understand? Wait until they hear about RF
 

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User Banned (permanent): Conspiratorial Rhetoric and Fearmongering About Vaccines; Prior Ban for Conspiratorial Rhetoric and Numerous Accumulated Infractions
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
 
thediamondage

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Which one is Robert F Kennedy Jr? Don't think I know that name. Why is he against vaccines? Seems kind of a weird thing for a kennedy to champion.
 
Dreams-Visions

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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Embarrassing.
 
Raguel

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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Then it's Big Pharm that you have a problem with. Not the vaccines. Your concerns are misguided.
 
Xiaomi

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Ex-Actarus said:
Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.
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No joke, your argument sounds like one of my sixth-graders wrote it the morning it was due.
 
mael

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And vaccines a cash cow for big pharma?
Look at the cost of actual cures that aren't vaccines, even in France it cost a magnitude more to cure a disease than even the most expensive vaccines.
If you're all about pushing conspiracy theories, it's more likely that big pharma is pushing antivax sentiment to have more people get to the expensive cures than wasting everyone's time with "dangerous" vaccines.
Shit the pushing of bad medicine is incredibly dangerous and can destroy pharma groups like nothing, why the fuck would they push vaccines that are dangerous when it's already eating in their profitability compared to expensive cure they also make?
 

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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Dude, believe it or not there are independent European agencies that do a lot of those studies you refer to. It's their job to guarantee what is safe to bring to the market and quickly pull what is not.
Corruption to buy more from one pharmaceutical company than another is not directly related to the safety of their products.
Also, arguing about the "dangerous ingredients" in vaccines, is like arguing about mixing chlorine in water.
 
mael

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sechsterangriff said:
Dude, believe it or not there are independent European agencies that do a lot of those studies you refer to. It's their job to guarantee what is safe to bring to the market and quickly pull what is not.
Corruption to buy more from one pharmaceutical company than another is not directly related to the safety of their products.
Also, arguing about the "dangerous ingredients" in vaccines, is like arguing about mixing chlorine in water.
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The problem with the EU agencies is that we also got scandals about the EU agencies being bribed to help a pharma group and keep unsafe drug on the market.
See everything about Servier Lab.
The thing is, considering that all over the world there are similar agencies and they DID catch that the medication was dangerous we know that if such a thing was happening with vaccines it would prove so prohibitive that you could actually just knock on the door of a big pharma company and ask for your cut to not get the thing to blow open.
After all we're looking at a scale that is 9/11 inside job as far as conspiracy goes.
 
Creamx

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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If the pharmaceutical lobbies are so powerful in France, why is our universal health care coverage one of the best in the world?

The french big pharmas can't even bribe their ways into our current ultracapitalist government, if anything it's the homeopathy lobby who is overly powerful, getting their scam treatments refunded with tax money.
 
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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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That link is just an explanation of what formaldehyde is. You seem to gloss over the fact it naturally occurs in living creatures. How much do you think is used in vaccines?

This reeks of the sort of half-baked rants I've heard about aspartame

Do you have any evidence in support of your claim of vaccines causing health problems (outside of fringe cases)?
 
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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients.
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Did you know that Phosphoric acid can cause severe burns on your skin and damage your eyes?
Did you know that Phosphoric acid is also regularly used in SODAS???

It's almost like, chemicals can be safe or harmful depending on dosages.
 
mael

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Buzzman said:
Did you know that Phosphoric acid can cause severe burns on your skin and damage your eyes?
Did you know that Phosphoric acid is also regularly used in SODAS???

It's almost like, chemicals can be safe or harmful depending on dosages.
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Literally everything can be deadly depending on the amount.
It's the literal concept of lethal dose, the least stupid thing Kubo put in the last arc of Bleach!
 
phonicjoy

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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No

No

No

This must be sarcasm, because posting that link is the dumbest thing i've seen today.

Here, let me post something else that causes cancer from that same site.:


The People must know!!#@@!! /s
 

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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Reported
 
Acorn

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I wouldn't give a fuck about this if it was just individuals being dumb and getting diseases. But it's killing kids and hitting herd immunity.
 
It’s Time To Go

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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Got any evidence for your claims of serious health problems?
 

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phonicjoy said:
No

No

No

This must be sarcasm, because posting that link is the dumbest thing i've seen today.

Here, let me post something else that causes cancer from that same site.:


The People must know!!#@@!! /s
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So you know better than the National Cancer Institute... This is governmental site. It's not like 4chan or something...
 

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Ex-Actarus said:
First of all, I'm not anti vaccines person. I'm not going to say vaccines should be abolished or not used. I'm from Africa originally and vaccines saved considerable amount of lives. Probably millions !

Having said that, there are legitimate concerns about vaccines that need to be addressed. So let's just stop crucify any people that have concerns about vaccines. There are evidences that some vaccines created serious health problems in the past. So we need to look into it and make sure it doesn't happen ever again.

One of the big concern some people have are not vaccines, but some of the questionable ingredients. For example formalehyde ( that could cause cancer ) and aluminum. Many people are challenging pharmaceutical companies with the use of some ingredients. And that's a good thing, if it the end, it makes us safe.

Personally, the problem I have is that vaccines are a cash-cow for pharmaceutical companies and I don't trust them. Should I really trust Bayer 100% when they bought Monsanto ? Pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists all over the place and I think it's more to ensure benefits than our well being.

I'm French and pharmaceutical lobbies are extremely powerful over here. There was a big controversy when the French government spent incredible amount of money for the Influenza H1H1 outbreak, where they said 2 shots were necessary when it was proven later it wasn't the case. Not the mention the close relationship the Health secretary had with some pharmaceutical companies...

Again, not saying vaccines should not be used or banned, not all all. But I clearly understand the concerns of some people. And I believe more - independent - studies are necessary.

Source : https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/substances/formaldehyde
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Vaccines are not a cash cow for Pharma, they're actually typically one of the more low margin types of drug. Typically, they're difficult to produce, hard to transport and store, and while the number of doses required is high the cost per dose is typically extremely low. There's little margin in them.

Almost all of the commonly used vaccines we're talking about are generics (not so much in the US because of licensing but pretty much everywhere else). Pharma isn't making big bank on them: vaccines account for less than 2% of Pharmaceuticals revenue. Even the big 'new' vaccines like the Hep-B vaccine only account for a small proportion of total revenue (Merck who produces the Hep-B vaccine sold $1.7 billion of it in 2014 which sounds a lot but their total sales that year were $43 billion). If there was going to be a massive conspiracy, they'd probably start with something which a) isn't distributed so widely (limiting their liability) and b) actually makes serious amounts of money.
 
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